I wouldn’t worry about it, not sure why your race/ nationality even has anything to do with it. Besides I am European American and I have to keep checking white and I am more of a off white to tan, sometimes red if I forget to use sunscreen
I wouldn’t worry about it, not sure why your race/ nationality even has anything to do with it. Besides I am European American and I have to keep checking white and I am more of a off white to tan, sometimes red if I forget to use sunscreen
Because the only way to stop all the race hustling, constant drama, constant issues, ect.. is to stop talking about race all the time.... And they can't have that.
Had my dealer request a certified copy... hopefully the original will come before the additional 45 days it takes to received the certified copy...My last one was approved March 8, dealer didn't get stamp until Late April
My can approved early April and it took 2 and half months to receive the stamp.Had my dealer request a certified copy... hopefully the original will come before the additional 45 days it takes to received the certified copy...
ATF just answered an "Ask the Expert" question today...
I asked it in January!
The goddamn things were approved in February. Go figure.
Wondering what the hold up is on the current two... But I figure I'll know one way or another Christmas, which seems about when I'd get a reply. The paper form4 --shit, I submitted one sometime last fall, still nothing.
You'd think with THIRTY tax stamps, that they could expedite this shit already.
I asked it in January!
The goddamn things were approved in February. Go figure.
Wondering what the hold up is on the current two... But I figure I'll know one way or another Christmas, which seems about when I'd get a reply. The paper form4 --shit, I submitted one sometime last fall, still nothing.
You'd think with THIRTY tax stamps, that they could expedite this shit already.
Efile is the straight up titties man! For Form 1 anyway. I guess they work Saturdays now because my form literally came back TODAY, I mean, it's even dated today. (Thanks Brian!)
I gotta say, hats off to the ATF for making this happen.
I filed two SBR's in January, got 'em back in just over a month.
These second two SBR's I filed April, first on the 9th, the other a couple days later (so it should be back any time really). These two were MUCH easier to file because I didn't have to attach a trust --just an affidavit claiming I'd had one approved within the last two years and that the trust hasn't had any changes since. It no-shit took all of like 20 minutes to file the last two.
So far, it's been pretty consistent, 35ish days.... Hell, it's taking me that long to get the engraving handled!
Too bad Form4's aren't efile... I forget how long I've been waiting on this FA762SS but I think it's been about 8 months for the Form4 alone.
I gotta say, hats off to the ATF for making this happen.
I filed two SBR's in January, got 'em back in just over a month.
These second two SBR's I filed April, first on the 9th, the other a couple days later (so it should be back any time really). These two were MUCH easier to file because I didn't have to attach a trust --just an affidavit claiming I'd had one approved within the last two years and that the trust hasn't had any changes since. It no-shit took all of like 20 minutes to file the last two.
So far, it's been pretty consistent, 35ish days.... Hell, it's taking me that long to get the engraving handled!
Too bad Form4's aren't efile... I forget how long I've been waiting on this FA762SS but I think it's been about 8 months for the Form4 alone.
Man wth? How does the "FBI background check" get done for you and so many others are waiting for it still??? "The. FBI is currently on request we sent them in November " .... What a load of bull shit
This is what @Strykervet really looks like. Everyone knows that the pretty people get whatever they want.
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This is what @Strykervet really looks like. Everyone knows that the pretty people get whatever they want.
If that's what @Strykervet really looks like then.... I can understand the preferential treatment... I mean, let's be real here. That chick can get whatever she wants...
How big of a hiccup is it when your bank declines the ATF charge on your card? 
I would call the ATF and see what they need you to do…otherwise you may have to resubmit everything.How big of a hiccup is it when your bank declines the ATF charge on your card?
Yeah, ATF lady was no help. Basically she said that some other office processes payment and if it was declined it will get returned to dealer.
My bank said that they entered in wrong expiration date and cv number for the transaction.
So either I fucked up on entering my cc info on the application or they fucked up entering my cc info into their system for processing.
Shoulda took a picture of it before submitting.
You almost made me piss myself!This is what @Strykervet really looks like. Everyone knows that the pretty people get whatever they want.
Mine has a shorter barrel though...
How they manage this stuff I'll never know. I looked up that paper form4 --apparently I filed it Dec. 29, not last fall, so I'm still waiting on that. But Efile has just been amazingly fast. Maybe it's different, handled differently? The background checks I mean. Hitting 35 days ea. on four different forms (well, the last one isn't back yet but I expect it any time really).
Apparently it takes the same amount of time for a fully submitted trust on efile as it does for the affidavit, just simpler to submit.
I heard they take 10% for extended checks, maybe that Nov. backlog is related to that? Maybe the rest aren't held up?
If they do that, and if it's not random, then maybe it has something to do with the fact I've had no less than 6 FBI background checks per year, on average, with 3 approved last year. It'd be a waste of time to do more on me really but that's never stopped govt. policy so just a guess.
Because like was said, NCICS is seconds, not months.
Holy shit that worried me so much I called the bank in advance to pre-authorize the transaction (basically tell them to expect it). I'd used cashier checks or MO's previously for paper forms. Now I use the CC, has worked last five times. It's the very first thing they do (of course).How big of a hiccup is it when your bank declines the ATF charge on your card?
I wanna say they retry it a few days later but don't hold me to that... If it fails and they don't get their money though, they don't do anything, don't start the process, so you'd have to resubmit it all. I doubt they send you your shit back but I couldn't say --never had a return but they did ask for more info once. If you have one boo-boo they'll usually let you fix that and it happens very fast. But that's after they got their money.
The wait is literally shit sitting on someone's desk until they look at it. Once they do, it goes pretty quick IME.
Ouch!! Yeah, my dealer said when that happens he has had to resubmit and recommended against it. Fucking shame that it is 2021 and there is no easier way to submit this bullshit.How big of a hiccup is it when your bank declines the ATF charge on your card?
Nomad - L purchased 4/19/21
Stamp Charge hit 5/1/21
Waiting...
Last one took 6 months to the day.
Stamp Charge hit 5/1/21
Waiting...
Last one took 6 months to the day.
Fiiiiiinnnnaalllyyyy! Took long enough... I wasn't going to drink during the week, but its time to celebrate
Called today, and they said all 8 were approved last Friday.
Colt M16A2, Benelli M4 14" Entry, LE6944 (14.5" monolithic), LE6945 (10.5" monolithic), LE6991 (10.5" 9mm), Integrally suppressed 10/22 rifle, Integrally suppressed 77/22 rifle, Silencerco Hybrid 46 suppressor.
All sent in at the same time, so 8X of the below:
Form 4 Individual via SS Kiosk
Purchased: Nov-2019 thru Feb-2020
Submitted: 8/7/20
Checks cashed: 8/25/20
Approved: 5/14/2021 (260ish days from cashed)
In hand: Pending
Called today, and they said all 8 were approved last Friday.
Colt M16A2, Benelli M4 14" Entry, LE6944 (14.5" monolithic), LE6945 (10.5" monolithic), LE6991 (10.5" 9mm), Integrally suppressed 10/22 rifle, Integrally suppressed 77/22 rifle, Silencerco Hybrid 46 suppressor.
All sent in at the same time, so 8X of the below:
Form 4 Individual via SS Kiosk
Purchased: Nov-2019 thru Feb-2020
Submitted: 8/7/20
Checks cashed: 8/25/20
Approved: 5/14/2021 (260ish days from cashed)
In hand: Pending
Called today, and my 2 that were cashed on 12/29/20 and my one on 12/31/20 were still pending... Pushing 6 months from the date of cash...This is getting frustrating. I hope they get approved any day now.
Bought a TBAC Ultra 7 and just did the paperwork earlier this week....18 May to be exact.
At 68, I hope to live long enough to see it...sigh. haha
I was allowed to have a conjugal visit with it for a few minutes at the SOT. It was a tearful goodby.
So, I do tend to wonder WTF our ATF and FBI tax dollars are being used for as certainly aren't being used for efficient and effective examiners and background investigators.
And for people who have held clearances in the past....and gone thru many background checks....shouldn't this be used to expedite....ah, but no....I kid. This is the government and expedite isn't in their lexicon.
Cheers
At 68, I hope to live long enough to see it...sigh. haha
I was allowed to have a conjugal visit with it for a few minutes at the SOT. It was a tearful goodby.
So, I do tend to wonder WTF our ATF and FBI tax dollars are being used for as certainly aren't being used for efficient and effective examiners and background investigators.
And for people who have held clearances in the past....and gone thru many background checks....shouldn't this be used to expedite....ah, but no....I kid. This is the government and expedite isn't in their lexicon.
Cheers
Alright finally got to join the Form 4 club
YH turbo
Form 4 trust 1 RP
Purchased 11/3/2020
Check cashed 11/23/2020
Tax Stamp at Dealer 5/20/21
still have a Silencerco Saker direct thread in limbo
Purchased 2/9/21
Check cashed 3/10/21
These FDE mil sandman’s are calling my name. I can hear them.
YH turbo
Form 4 trust 1 RP
Purchased 11/3/2020
Check cashed 11/23/2020
Tax Stamp at Dealer 5/20/21
still have a Silencerco Saker direct thread in limbo
Purchased 2/9/21
Check cashed 3/10/21
These FDE mil sandman’s are calling my name. I can hear them.
I agree, the whole tax stamp fraud is stupid. I’ve been through a ton of them (in-depth FBI background checks, and also again several times for my CCW in the different counties I’ve lived in), and still have a clean record, and buy guns regularly… At this point, pretty sure I’m well-established as an upstanding citizen.
The fact they’re still this heavily regulated and making us wait months to a year+ for a non-firearm muzzle device is just asinine, not to mention an unconstitutional form of gun control.
At this point, I’d still be willing to pay the $200 stamp, Just run a NICS check and a 4473, and let me take the damn things home that day!
You know the system is flawed, when the actual gun itself can be bought, and transferred instantly after a a 4473 & NICS check, but the chunk of metal that goes on the end to keep you from blowing out your eardrums, takes months to years to be approved, and all the hoops, fingerprints, paperwork, red tape, extra fines ($200), and extra proof of ownership (stamp), and legal paperwork (trusts), etc… just to obtain them.
Think about how stupid that it is, that in this day and age we are still going through this archaic process…
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*** Update *** Just got the email earlier today... Stamp cashed on can #5, officially waiting on approval now.
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I’m still waiting;
- Silencer Shop Kiosk
- 8/20/2020 purchase
- 8/28/2020 check cashed
It’s been 277 days today and still waiting
- Silencer Shop Kiosk
- 8/20/2020 purchase
- 8/28/2020 check cashed
It’s been 277 days today and still waiting
I'm not that knowledgeable, I am just waiting on my first form 4, but... You should probably call if you haven't, get the status.. and if it's just still pending I'd call your reps or senators and get them involved as best as you can... That's unacceptable. More than 1 day is unacceptable, but 277 is BSI’m still waiting;
- Silencer Shop Kiosk
- 8/20/2020 purchase
- 8/28/2020 check cashed
It’s been 277 days today and still waiting
TBAC 338 ULTRA SR
Purchased with 100% Certificate: 9/14/2020
Serial Number/Cerakote/Manuf: 5/3/2021
Form 3 sent: 5/3/2021
Form 3 Approved: 5/18/2021
At Dealer: 5/21/2021
Form 4 requested on SS: 5/24/2021
Form 4 to ATF: ???
Purchased with 100% Certificate: 9/14/2020
Serial Number/Cerakote/Manuf: 5/3/2021
Form 3 sent: 5/3/2021
Form 3 Approved: 5/18/2021
At Dealer: 5/21/2021
Form 4 requested on SS: 5/24/2021
Form 4 to ATF: ???
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I badly want a suppressor but this right here is why I don't. 7 months to 1 year for a form 4. Congress needs to act and abolish the NFA already, or at the very least make it like gun purchases where you have X amount of days to deny or it gets auto approved.
True, but you can also look at it this way... If you hadn't fucked around 7 months ago and bought a can, you'd probably have it by now.
My first 3 should be approved any time now, and then my 4th should be coming in about 4-5 months from now, and then maybe I'll have my 5th can HOPEFULLY by the end of the year...? But I'll at least have my first 3 home while waiting on the other 2. That will help make the time go by faster.
The NFA isn't going anywhere any time soon. If you badly want a can, just buy it and suck it up. The wait sucks, but in the end it will put a smile on your face.
Longer you wait to purchase, the longer it takes. We all hate the wait ,but if you buy and forget about it, 5-12 months later you get that call and all is good.
Finally approved
Tbac ultra 7
8/19/2020 cashed
5/16/2021 Approved
Waiting on stamp but atleast it’s approved
Tbac ultra 7
8/19/2020 cashed
5/16/2021 Approved
Waiting on stamp but atleast it’s approved
when I was 14 I knew I wanted to get laid but between me and coitus was time. Suppressor is the same (at least for now).
last weekend. No coitus needed.
Awesome!!! I kinda thought they did that, I read it somewhere? For sure I wouldn't just make shit up like that but couldn't recall either. I bet t hey figured on running into this though when they decided to add CC's to these forms (used to be checks/MO's ONLY).
AND got that other one back just like I figured on...
35 days total.
So I'm hitting 35 days on every efile I've done, two in Jan., two in April. These last two were done with trust affidavits (no actual trust submitted, just a form saying they'd already accepted one on such and such date with such and such SN'd). So they were even easier than the first two, literally takes all of twenty minutes to do a Form1 now, back in what would amount to 30 days if it wasn't for the fact I always get stuck submitting prints after a weekend (so 35 total).
BUT still waiting on that paper Form4 submitted end of December... Don't expect to see it anytime soon either.
Didn't know they did an efile form4 yet.
7 months to a year has been about average since 2014, longest including two form3's and the lead time was approaching two years. Yeah, TWO years.
Easily the most fun rifle I own --more fun than the M2HB even. Just goes "tictictic" when you fire it. MUCH quieter than an air rifle, just the clacking of the bolt. I wanted a bolt gun too but thanks to all the bullshit going on in 2014 or so it just wasn't possible, much like today.
Right now, JP Ent. is giving ATF a run for their money on these goddamn wait times...
35 days total.
So I'm hitting 35 days on every efile I've done, two in Jan., two in April. These last two were done with trust affidavits (no actual trust submitted, just a form saying they'd already accepted one on such and such date with such and such SN'd). So they were even easier than the first two, literally takes all of twenty minutes to do a Form1 now, back in what would amount to 30 days if it wasn't for the fact I always get stuck submitting prints after a weekend (so 35 total).
BUT still waiting on that paper Form4 submitted end of December... Don't expect to see it anytime soon either.
I thought the same goddamn thing... Thirty tax stamps ago.
Didn't know they did an efile form4 yet.
7 months to a year has been about average since 2014, longest including two form3's and the lead time was approaching two years. Yeah, TWO years.
Nice haul. It'll be those integral .22's that are the cream of that particular crop if you ask me:Fiiiiiinnnnaalllyyyy! Took long enough... I wasn't going to drink during the week, but its time to celebrate
Called today, and they said all 8 were approved last Friday.
Colt M16A2, Benelli M4 14" Entry, LE6944 (14.5" monolithic), LE6945 (10.5" monolithic), LE6991 (10.5" 9mm), Integrally suppressed 10/22 rifle, Integrally suppressed 77/22 rifle, Silencerco Hybrid 46 suppressor.
All sent in at the same time, so 8X of the below:
Form 4 Individual via SS Kiosk
Purchased: Nov-2019 thru Feb-2020
Submitted: 8/7/20
Checks cashed: 8/25/20
Approved: 5/14/2021 (260ish days from cashed)
In hand: Pending
Easily the most fun rifle I own --more fun than the M2HB even. Just goes "tictictic" when you fire it. MUCH quieter than an air rifle, just the clacking of the bolt. I wanted a bolt gun too but thanks to all the bullshit going on in 2014 or so it just wasn't possible, much like today.
Right now, JP Ent. is giving ATF a run for their money on these goddamn wait times...
So I sent in a Form 4 November 5, 2020. Just called and apparently the check didn't get cashed until January 19. And of course I'm still pending.
Man, that sucks. Did you send in your form electronically? That seems crazy to me, I have heard of it taking up to 4 weeks to get cashed, but 2 and a half months? Woooof...
Is this where I can post the wait time for a Pacific Tool and Gauge order?
April 11th order placed and payment received
May 1st told order was in Inspection
May 10th told order was in production
April 11th order placed and payment received
May 1st told order was in Inspection
May 10th told order was in production
They usually waste no time cashing checks. But then, "waaaah, coooovid!!!" plus political bullshit plus holidays... Doesn't surprise me really. I've got one on paper dating from sometime in January or late December but used a CC so that was handled pretty much the day they got it.
But talking to a dealer here, he recommended using the CC option on ALL forms. I'd done approximately 24 prior to that with Postal MO's no problems, but figured I'd give it a shot. He said it'd be faster and easier to track if anything went wrong. Said that one time a guy's form got "lost" but after they'd charged his card. Somehow that was what made it possible for them to track it down. Sorry, don't recall all the details.
But since using the CC option, I gotta say, it is pretty fast. They charge it within days, not weeks or months.
Nothing happens until they get their money.
FWIW, just got a call from my bank, some asshole tried charging up over $2k in casino shit... Card only ever used for three vendors for a handful of purchases, ATF accounting for five since Dec. or Jan. as well as being the most recent. Obviously you can tell who I suspect but I could be wrong. It's still the best way to pay for shit IMO and apparently it worked, they caught the bullshit charges really fast.
Sorry a little off topic, but thanks to this thread I just bought a Sandman S in FDE. Thanks S197. Not sure if you just cost me money or just saved me money, but your promo code just dropped the price of a Sandman S to $727.00. Been wanting one for a while and at that price (plus it being in FDE and mil. issue) just couldn't pass it up.
So now it looks like my dance with the ATF begins. Would be nice to actually have this in hand this year, but I suspect I'm probably looking at early 2022.
So now it looks like my dance with the ATF begins. Would be nice to actually have this in hand this year, but I suspect I'm probably looking at early 2022.
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