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Russia's Staggering Losses In Ukraine

Up until the Civil War a soundly supported idea.

Lincoln imposed Hamiltonian principles through conflict. Jefferson was put to bed.

There had to be a modern day reason to make "Hamilton" a hero with that stupid musical.

And Jacksonians got kicked to the curb. Too bad, as abiding by many (if maybe not all) of their concepts would have made for a better country today.
 
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Up until the Civil War a soundly supported idea.

Lincoln imposed Hamiltonian principles through conflict. Jefferson was put to bed.

There had to be a modern day reason to make "Hamilton" a hero with that stupid musical.
well said. Hamilton was a cunt. Lincoln killed the Republic of Virtue and ushered in the modern political system based on radical cities voting as a bloc.
 
I don't necessarily disagree (or totally agree) with your assessment, but rather would simply like to point out that "Yes Saddam is a despot, however..." would have been a pretty spicy take for conservatives to make anytime from 1991 to 2021, and yet now the same passes for a mainstream perspective on the right without any reconciliation with past stances on interventionalism. I'm also not convinced that most conservatives would show any reluctance to bomb Iran or NK tomorrow if given a thin whisker of justification. My point is that this whole thing is just kinda jarring, so don't be surprised if the normies don't follow the logic.

Getting back to Putin's justification for the invasion, he's facing what appears to be irreversible population collapse at home. It's now or never to invade his neighbors under the guise of reunification. Yeah, there's the whole NATO threat and that's actually good justification as well, but that problem hypothetically has political solutions but internal demographics certainly does not. Assuming that Putin prevails, expect further expansion.

If one believes that China will also suffer from such an issue, it becomes clear that the next few decades will be substantially more exciting than the previous few, and that the US's radically misallocation of resources will be very consequential to our ability to participate in the upcoming games.
Not sure about India, but most of the developed world is facing population collapse. If China is facing the same it's a direct result of their one child policy. Regardless, we are all headed into dark times, by our own hands.
 
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I don't necessarily disagree (or totally agree) with your assessment, but rather would simply like to point out that "Yes Saddam is a despot, however..." would have been a pretty spicy take for conservatives to make anytime from 1991 to 2021, and yet now the same passes for a mainstream perspective on the right without any reconciliation with past stances on interventionalism. I'm also not convinced that most conservatives would show any reluctance to bomb Iran or NK tomorrow if given a thin whisker of justification. My point is that this whole thing is just kinda jarring, so don't be surprised if the normies don't follow the logic.

Getting back to Putin's justification for the invasion, he's facing what appears to be irreversible population collapse at home. It's now or never to invade his neighbors under the guise of reunification. Yeah, there's the whole NATO threat and that's actually good justification as well, but that problem hypothetically has political solutions but internal demographics certainly does not. Assuming that Putin prevails, expect further expansion.

If one believes that China will also suffer from such an issue, it becomes clear that the next few decades will be substantially more exciting than the previous few, and that the US's radically misallocation of resources will be very consequential to our ability to participate in the upcoming games.

It seems that the US is reacting to the challenge of it's hegemony in a seemingly uni-polar world.

The escalations between the West and Russia have been interesting, to put it mildly. The West seems intent to grind down Russia as much as possible, with all announced intents of having a "forever war" in Ukraine. The recent comments by Biden in regards to his stance on China is also interesting, and breaks away from the US's long standing "strategic ambiguity" and recognition of the "one China policy".

I've also seen more and more rhetoric in the media over how Russia and China is so bad, and the attempt to normalize a war with either of those countries. And NYC recently released an add about what to do if a nuke strikes. This is not normal.

I don't know where all this escalatory rhetoric is going to lead to. It seems that the machine is moving in a certain direction, one in which I don't agree with at all.
 
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Not sure about India, but most of the developed world is facing population collapse. If China is facing the same it's a direct result of their one child policy. Regardless, we are all headed into dark times, by our own hands.

Russia and China are currently leading the pack, and have/are acquiring the capability to do something about it.

Look forward to lots of "no American blood on foreign soil!" rhetoric concerning Africa by 2030 by whatever party is out of power at that time.
 
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Not sure where you get your information from, watch MSNBC much? Yes Putin is a despot, however. If I was faced with the same set of circumstances I would have done the same thing as Putin.

Let's do a little thought experiment. If China ran a coup in Mexico helping install a Pro China puppet in 2014, flooded Mexico with heavy Chinese weapons, trained cartels to on how to defeat our military, and they killed fifteen thousand Expat Americans living in Mexico. Oh yes, and filled Mexico with Biolabs, and Soros run NGO's, sure as fuck I would as President of the country call on a special operation to rid Mexico of all of the above. Added bonus, there's valuable assets like natural energy there, then I would take that while I was at it.

The war in Ukraine is mostly to blame on Neo Con, and Neo Liberal war mongers looking to expand their power, as well they still falsely blame Putin for Trump being elected in 2016, which by all measures has made Putin enemy number two on the Globalist/Nato hit list. Can you name all of the violations that Nato has doubled back on from the 1997 Nato/Russia accords, I bet not, how about another fucking Cold War, while we are at it? But wait, now we got a real live hot war, awesome right!

Basically your reasoning is every single vapid MSM narrative being spun forth since the beginning of the war. Like this one "oh Putin is a mad man, he's lost his mind!" or "Putin has locked himself in his house and only talks to people on the phone." Do yourself a little favor and read some Prof Mesheimer, then get back to us. I am not saying it's not a tragedy, it's fucking terrible, but it's been perpetuated by the UK, our country, and mostly Obama's cronies at the State Department, Victoria Neuland, Anthony Blinken, and other such deep state creeps.

It's astounding what an effective job the media has done at brainwashing the masses, just amazing really.
What a bunch of babbling nonsense. Ask yourself this. And this is a yes or no question. It doesn't require 6 paragraphs of bullshit. Was Putin better off before, or after he pulled this stupid boner, and got his ass kicked for doing it, and destroyed himself as a world leader?

There is your answer. People like you could over complicate a cup of coffee, trying to prove how smart you're not.
 
Well the usual Putin cock suckers. Despair trolls, and propaganda bots migrated over here. The intent is to stifle real discussion and create fear uncertainty and doubt among us Americans.

The Russians are facing a calamitous situation brought on by their stupidity and failure to learn compounded by the Ukrainians admirable and entirely justified resistance. Now that the Weat has created a strategy and given them the tools the Ukrainians have Ivan by the balls and are beating him with a tire iron. In the land of the blind the Ukrainians have both eyes open.
 
It'll all turn around to Putin's/Russia's favor in the aftermath of the tactical nuke they detonate above Ukraine or the Black Sea.

VooDoo
 
Well the usual Putin cock suckers. Despair trolls, and propaganda bots migrated over here. The intent is to stifle real discussion and create fear uncertainty and doubt among us Americans.

The Russians are facing a calamitous situation brought on by their stupidity and failure to learn compounded by the Ukrainians admirable and entirely justified resistance. Now that the Weat has created a strategy and given them the tools the Ukrainians have Ivan by the balls and are beating him with a tire iron. In the land of the blind the Ukrainians have both eyes open.
You realize there are 4 regions that are about to be absorbed into Russia?

You’d have to be deaf blind and dumb not to see this.
 
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Wrong question. Is he better off now than he would have been in a few years from now if he had done nothing?

Impossible to answer.
well, look at what he was scared of: US missles on Russia's borders. I'd say he's better off until there are US missles on his doorstep on the Finnish border

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Well the usual Putin cock suckers. Despair trolls, and propaganda bots migrated over here. The intent is to stifle real discussion and create fear uncertainty and doubt among us Americans.

The Russians are facing a calamitous situation brought on by their stupidity and failure to learn compounded by the Ukrainians admirable and entirely justified resistance. Now that the Weat has created a strategy and given them the tools the Ukrainians have Ivan by the balls and are beating him with a tire iron. In the land of the blind the Ukrainians have both eyes open.

Boots on the ground oldloser is here again.

You dont know shit and neither does anyone else. Fuck Ukraine, and Fuck Russia. Whatever happens, happens.
 
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from what I've seen from the West, I'm not sure he isn't correct. The NWO types do indeed seem to want Putin gone and for Russia to fall in line.

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Looks like there are folks that warned of this very situation decades ago.
 
What a bunch of babbling nonsense. Ask yourself this. And this is a yes or no question. It doesn't require 6 paragraphs of bullshit. Was Putin better off before, or after he pulled this stupid boner, and got his ass kicked for doing it, and destroyed himself as a world leader?

There is your answer. People like you could over complicate a cup of coffee, trying to prove how smart you're not.
Your question is as relevant as picking the winner or looser in the 1st quarter in the superbowl.
 
What a bunch of babbling nonsense. Ask yourself this. And this is a yes or no question. It doesn't require 6 paragraphs of bullshit. Was Putin better off before, or after he pulled this stupid boner, and got his ass kicked for doing it, and destroyed himself as a world leader?

There is your answer. People like you could over complicate a cup of coffee, trying to prove how smart you're not.

Lol, I know the logic is lost on you, as well your statement shows how little you know about the situation prior to the invasion. Everything black and white right....?
 
Looks like there are folks that warned of this very situation decades ago.
I'll admit to not paying too much attention to Ukrainian politics till the dementia patient started agitating against Russia. That got me doing research...

There are no 'good guys' in the whole situation. NATO and the west constantly poked the Russian bear till he reacted then 'OMG! Look what Putin did. He invaded Ukraine, that evil SOB!'

...and if you don't think the US would invade either MEX or CAN in a heartbeat if the Chinese stationed missiles there, you're delusional. They'd be invading while bleating about 'the unfortunate necessity of invading our neighbors to secure peace...' or some such drivel. Pretty much the exact same thing Putin's done.

Nope. This is mostly on the west. ...which is precisely why they have to vilify Putin while claiming to be the white knight

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I spend almost no time thinking about this. But if I were to bet, I bet Putin is executed within the next year.
 
The media and governments staggering loss of credibility.
hard to believe people still believe or trust the idiots that were unaware that the taliban were taking over afghanistan, when we were still in the country.
 
I'll admit to not paying too much attention to Ukrainian politics till the dementia patient started agitating against Russia. That got me doing research...

There are no 'good guys' in the whole situation. NATO and the west constantly poked the Russian bear till he reacted then 'OMG! Look what Putin did. He invaded Ukraine, that evil SOB!'

...and if you don't think the US would invade either MEX or CAN in a heartbeat if the Chinese stationed missiles there, you're delusional. They'd be invading while bleating about 'the unfortunate necessity of invading our neighbors to secure peace...' or some such drivel. Pretty much the exact same thing Putin's done.

Nope. This is mostly on the west. ...which is precisely why they have to vilify Putin while claiming to be the white knight

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We never invaded Cuba...
 


One of the few on the ground in the area covering it. Regarless of what you perceive pats slant to be. Its happening.

Good video, on what the people there believe, and desire.

So the take aways are that many Ukranians believe Zelensky is a puppet of the west, and they want to join Russia now. At least in that region.

Go figure right...
 
Good video, on what the people there believe, and desire.

So the take aways are that many Ukranians believe Zelensky is a puppet of the west, and they want to join Russia now. At least in that region.

Go figure right...
historically...the south and east have always been tied to russians, and the north and west to poland (where the jewish pogroms existed, killing over 100k jewish people, before the rise of hitler and the nazi party).

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It'll be interesting to see what the future brings. If Ukraine loses they are done - If Russia loses they are done. Ukraine will be absorbed into Russia if they lose- Russia will disintegrate into states if they lose. I can see why the Russians are acting the way they are. They are threatened with their very existence. I can see why folks in Ukraine would rather align with the West. If I were Zelensky, would I want my nation to be more like The East or More like The West?

The West has a much better standard of living. The Russians share ethnicity and are of Ukraine as Ukraine has been part of Russia for years.

Shit's gonna get way more violent before it can possibly get better. Let's hope is does not spread.

VooDoo
 
It'll be interesting to see what the future brings. If Ukraine loses they are done - If Russia loses they are done. Ukraine will be absorbed into Russia if they lose- Russia will disintegrate into states if they lose. I can see why the Russians are acting the way they are. They are threatened with their very existence. I can see why folks in Ukraine would rather align with the West. If I were Zelensky, would I want my nation to be more like The East or More like The West?

The West has a much better standard of living. The Russians share ethnicity and are of Ukraine as Ukraine has been part of Russia for years.

Shit's gonna get way more violent before it can possibly get better. Let's hope is does not spread.

VooDoo
i don't think russians are interested in absorbing the west of ukraine, where the hatred of the red army and russians in general is deeply seeded.
as far as the standard of living, ukraine is much poorer than russia, despite the west controlling them for almost a decade.
gdp in ukraine is about the same or even less than many african nations.

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Good video, on what the people there believe, and desire.

So the take aways are that many Ukranians believe Zelensky is a puppet of the west, and they want to join Russia now. At least in that region.

Go figure right...
Seems like most people want to be left alone and the ability to live normally Most approached didn’t want to talk. Thats my take. Majority he spoke with were pro Ru with one group saying bad.

I personally believe most of the people in the regions want to aline with Russia and reject the 14 coup, which is what caused all this to kick off in the first place.

If all of western Ukraine goes Eu and these 4 regions currently under referendum turn Russia how is that not acceptable for both? Respect each others wishes and let it be. Each side gains, kiev no longer under ru influence. The People in the south east get to be Russians.

Anything past that is forcing alot of unwanted, on both ends. This war has already caused enough chaos.
 
Its like a parent with two kids in the back seat fighting. He hit me, well, he hit me first, well he stared... no he started.

I don’t give a fuck who started, who hit who. Its time to end it.
 
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Seems like most people want to be left alone and the ability to live normally Most approached didn’t want to talk. Thats my take. Majority he spoke with were pro Ru with one group saying bad.

I personally believe most of the people in the regions want to aline with Russia and reject the 14 coup, which is what caused all this to kick off in the first place.

If all of western Ukraine goes Eu and these 4 regions currently under referendum turn Russia how is that not acceptable for both? Respect each others wishes and let it be. Each side gains, kiev no longer under ru influence. The People in the south east get to be Russians.

Anything past that is forcing alot of unwanted, on both ends. This war has already caused enough chaos.
If the Ukraine loses the areas in blue shown on the map @theLBC posted then they become landlocked and lose a sizable natural gas deposit.
 
If the Ukraine loses the areas in blue shown on the map @theLBC posted then they become landlocked and lose a sizable natural gas deposit.
The nat gas isn’t an issue. The WEF, UN, NATO and the EU have decided it will be phased out. The landlocked is a real concern.
 
If the Ukraine loses the areas in blue shown on the map @theLBC posted then they become landlocked and lose a sizable natural gas deposit.
this is why the west is running the proxy war. it isn't about freedom, democracy or self-determination (obviously).
they want to exploit the oil and gas and destroy as much of russia's energy business as possible.
it is not surprising that putin could not allow this without defending his country's interests.
 
Russia has lost as many troops in the last 7 months of fighting in Ukraine, (almost 54,000), than we lost in 10 YEARS in Vietnam! Their equipment losses are even more staggering.

This war is going horribly wrong for Putin. It is devastating Russia both morally, as well as economically. They can't keep this up, and Putin knows it. Last week someone from his elite inner circle gave up his location. They hit his limousine, and damaged it.

Ukraine is now taking back captured Russian territory with the advanced weapons they're receiving from us and other countries. The Javelin Missiles are proving to be devastating to their tanks and armored personnel carriers.

The people of Russia are turning against him, and he is on borrowed time. It's only a matter of time before they get him. He has cost the politically powerful Russian oligarchs there billions of dollars in seized property and currency worldwide. They are NOT happy with him.... And remember, they are the ones who put him in, and keep him in power.

And even if these numbers are inflated by 50%, it is still staggering.

I would agree with your assessment.
 
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If the Ukraine loses the areas in blue shown on the map @theLBC posted then they become landlocked and lose a sizable natural gas deposit.
Its not the gas in the ground in eastern Ukraine. In the grand scheme its not very much. Shell was actually use losing money in Ukraine in production before it was shut down because the war started in 2014.

Its having a reason to shut off Russia’s supply through sanction. That is what they wanted.
 
Also those regions are extremely fertile and there was heavy industry in the south east. Most of Ukraines industrial production came from the south east.
 
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The large number of how to break your arm Google searches stemming from Russia says all one needs to know about how the untrained civilian populace feels about this Russian invasion. But, the fat lady hasn't sung yet and we'll see just how long this drags out. I guess those that were around when Russia got their ass kicked in Afghanistan haven't a voice anymore.......Yawn
 
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The large number of how to break your arm Google searches stemming from Russia says all one needs to know about how the untrained civilian populace feels about this Russian invasion. But, the fat lady hasn't sung yet and we'll see just how long this drags out. I guess those that were around when Russia got their ass kicked in Afghanistan haven't a voice anymore.......Yawn
did you happen to miss our asses getting chased out of afghanistan?

russian's defending their own border and the area where they have been historically invaded is quite another matter.
 
did you happen to miss our asses getting chased out of afghanistan?

russian's defending their own border and the area where they have been historically invaded is quite another matter.
After a decade one does not get chased out, weak crappy politicians pull us out. Same with Vietnam, we were actually winning the war CIA trained Ho Chi Min stated as much after the fact.
 
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After a decade one does not get chased out, weak crappy politicians pull us out. Same with Vietnam, we were actually winning the war CIA trained Ho Chi Min stated as much after the fact.
What were “we” winning in either instance?
 
After a decade one does not get chased out, weak crappy politicians pull us out. Same with Vietnam, we were actually winning the war CIA trained Ho Chi Min stated as much after the fact.
20 years. did you miss the afghan papers as well?
we were never making any progress in that place. it was a 2.3 trillion dollar lie...