Well maybe you have a smith in your backyard but with the shipping issues now with firearms and the need to ship an action or barreled action to get barrled/rebarreled it's not worth it anymore especially for a match rifle. I can order a barrel and have it there and swap it at home when my last one dies. I do not want to be shipping and waiting. In 2024 buying an action that doesn't accept shouldered prefit barrels is not something I would ever recommend.
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Well maybe you have a smith in your backyard but with the shipping issues now with firearms and the need to ship an action or barreled action to get barrled/rebarreled it's not worth it anymore especially for a match rifle. I can order a barrel and have it there and swap it at home when my last one dies. I do not want to be shipping and waiting. In 2024 buying an action that doesn't accept shouldered prefit barrels is not something I would ever recommend.
What's special about your reamer?
because i have tubb spec 6xc dies and most have the 6xc II reamer. i also have peterson brass and the 6xc II reamer is better for alpha brass.
Just picking back up from where i left off 5+ years ago. Ideally i want the manson/tubb spec reamer and luckily a smith local to me has one so im good regardless.
You can always send the reamer to a smith to have him use to make a prefit and then ship it back to you. No need to send the whole action. If you have a smith local then consider yourself one of the lucky ones.
I live near houston and apparently there's like 5 good smiths in a 100 mile radius that i didnt know about. If I had the reamer on hand, i'd take whoever could chamber one the fastest for sure! Tbh depending on circumstances i may have one ordered and on hand. always nice to have a barrel chambered with a fresh reamer
that's bull! what area are you in?
too bad area 419 doesnt do much smithing anymore
I'm not recommending them, but they are "only" 750, if they are having them made by a known commodity, they likely don't need to be trued.
For example, the Nosler M21 action is made by mack bros. (they also made the Tempest action for GAP).
And 775 for the evo 2. 725 if you’re a vet. Fantastic deal
And for $900 you get an Origin that can take shouldered prefits and change bolt faces. The extra $150 will be saved in smith work right off the bat. For $1150 you get a barreled action from PVA that uses an action that can take shouldered prefits and bolt face changes. $750 to me for a Weatherby action is throwing away good money.
Are the Origins aw mag compatible?
Never exposed to Mac Bros , I know Crownridge was using them, but I like the fact I can do my own barrel swaps with my Origins …. I agree with Rob $1150 is a good deal. But I also use barrel nuts and Savage style pre-fits so I try to go on the cheaper side
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No. AICS only.
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ORIGIN is a friendly priced custom action that utilizes many features included in the TL3 and SR3 line of actions. This receiver is available in the following configurations: – SHORT, MEDIUM or LONG action – RIGHT or LEFT hand – 223, 308, Magnum or PPC/SPC (Valkyrie) bolt heads – Swept bolt...
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You can use a Rem-age barrel and do your own barrel swaps with the 307 and have minimum headspace guaranteed.
And yes, I would recommend the pva barreled action, but, since we are addressing the OP requirements, he isn't interested in prefits.
I have an origin, I'm not a hater.
LOL You can blah blah blah all you like but still doesn't make a little known factory action that you have to remage a better buy for a small $150 less.
And he thinks he isn't interested in prefits. When he gets into this and has to buy another action to use them he will see why actions that can take them are being pressed so hard here now to try and save him money in the long run.
Whatever.
I bought into the swapable bolt head, after buying one, I'll likely never buy another bolt head for it.
It's not worth the hassle.
As far as shouldered prefits you could just buy a short chambered barrel for any common action and finish it at the house and save money that way.
You don't have to swap the bolt head but you can easily swap barrels with the same bolt head. I have three boltheads I use for a .223, 6mm ARC and all my .308 sized cases. Easily swapped. Funny you call swapping the bolt head a hassle but want to finish chamber rifles and set headspace at home on barrels. LOL Yeah that's much easier than buying it ready to screw on. LOL
It's not just the bolt head, I'd just build another rifle. If your pulling the barrel off and installing a new one, finishing the chamber doesn't take that long.
Just yanking your chain in good fun.
You seem very passionate about increasing zermatt sales.
Personally, I'm not interested in pre-fits.
My smith was impressed with the machining and finish of the origin.
LOL Well if you have that skill set but my skill set is installing a new barrel and not having to chamber.
And I don't care about Zermatt sales but being a cheap bastard and wanting to get the most for my money they had a good product to recommend but if I was buying now you can get the same pros and a cheaper barrel by buying the Solus barreled action from PVA. I'd probably go that route.
Well, if you're OK with less than optimal headspace...LOL Well if you have that skill set but my skill set is installing a new barrel and not having to chamber.
And I don't care about Zermatt sales but being a cheap bastard and wanting to get the most for my money they had a good product to recommend but if I was buying now you can get the same pros and a cheaper barrel by buying the Solus barreled action from PVA. I'd probably go that route.
I think we may have derailed this thread just a bit.
The Solus is both AICS & AW mag compatible out of the box.
Well, if you're OK with less than optimal headspace...
I think we may have derailed this thread just a bit.
It's funny but my headspace is set perfectly on all my prefits. I have two 6 Creedmoor barrels from PVA and they are the exact same. They were done about 6 months apart. Those machines are pretty good now. Maybe if it's a smith with a hand run machine in his garage they might be less than optimal but not with someone using modern machinery.
You're right. Actions and barrels done on cnc machines are incredibly well machined with very small variations that are mostly the result of tool wear.
I'm willing to bet the 307 action is cnc machined and edm cut with small tolerance ranges.
I really only brought them up because no one talks about them. I'm curious how well they are made, but then again, there is the solus which can frequently be had for less.
Times have never been better in regards choice in rifles/actions and really good entry level optics.
Has mark Gordon fallen out of favor?
I still see him producing good builds. I forgot he’s in ohio
Cool
The Origin is not expensive. It is outclassed by less costly and similarly priced actions.
CDG is the best choice if you $1K budget.
CDG is the best choice if you $1K budget.
Off topic but has anyone tried the barrels Austin Orgain started putting out?
CDG seems to be the obvious choice for sub $1k
I'm waiting on almost the exact same build, only difference is a 24" barrel.
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