DeLane Development Group Rimfire Ventures
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Just buy the case directly from Savior. It’s a slightly different version of what they offer.
"Dear Lord, please let sparkly Mr. Ravage88 resurrect Vudoo and continue to bring the fastest twist 22lr to fruition. Alen."
-Me, praying at night...probably
I do hope he gets back into the game. I’d love to see what the next version of the best of the rimfire action would look and function like. Whether it be on a 40X derivative like the Vudoo or a complete new redesign.
When did the shop stop putting Patent Pending on the actions? I have one from late 2021 with this, and then another from 2023 without patent pending. Curious if there are any differences I wouldn't be aware of...
Interesting. Your post could of been exactly something I would have posted in regard to my 2 rifles and wishing for extra small parts.
Patent pending should have ceased shortly into the Gen 2 production. I’d have to look at specifically when that was, but the only receivers manufactured to either of the two issued patents were all of Gen 1 and not many of the Gen 2.
MB
And many of them end up like Dr. Elion: sitting alone in back of the room while unintelligent, dishonest takers with a propensity for social manipulation profit from her work and throw her colleagues out the door while proclaiming how they're making everything wonderful.
Vudoo Gun Works V-22 Rimfire Bolt Action
If Vudoo wasn’t making actions in house then I don’t see this whole closing thing a big deal. Move to OK, farm out actions like has been being done, send them to impact precision or CRB for barrel work. Call Foundation for a stock and your back in business lol. Seriously what were they...
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Thank you for coming back around to share some of this with us,
Like many I have been hoping that this subject would come back into the light.
I agree with Drew,
It needs to be made asap by a present day action maker who has what it takes to make the 40x type action,Impact,Bat, Kebly etc., just make and sell the action.
Impact 740x...has a nice ring...
It needs to be made asap by a present day action maker who has what it takes to make the 40x type action,Impact,Bat, Kebly etc., just make and sell the action.
Impact 740x...has a nice ring...
This is probably the wrong place to ask, but people mentioned serial numbers earlier... I've acquired 2 Vudoo 360s in the last 6 months, one from DI and one from Europtic. They are both serialized
VGWTxxxx
Is there any significance to the T lettering?
VGWTxxxx
Is there any significance to the T lettering?
Doubt it. My factory barreled action purchased from Altus in June 2024 has VGWT47xx.
Mike,
Did Three Sigma produce the bolts along with the actions? A shooting friend has a broken FP that he needs to replace.
TIA,
Bill
Did Three Sigma produce the bolts along with the actions? A shooting friend has a broken FP that he needs to replace.
TIA,
Bill
Interesting serial numbers. My V22S has S/N S1XXX shipped from Vudoo in October 2020. Wonder how the numbers evolved over time?
Sheesh I don't know where my head's been at this week... Ok one of the actions is serialized like that. The other one from DI is very different:
V-00xxxT
I must have had a left over as my Gen 2 I got last year is just VGW56XX. No letters. My original from 2017 is VGW 10XX. It had a space between the letters and numbers.
Would love to find an original V22 with melonited action and 18" kukri for my son, but I think they all became ceracoted after Gen1?
Basically, yes. There was too much fallout from the finish house that did the Melonite with an inability to accept responsibility for sub-par work, so there was some moving around within alternatives. Plus, the shipping to/from the finish house added time to completion time and added considerable expense. (@Rob01, not bad for a guy that was supposedly not ever part of the day-to-day).
Anyway, the only way to manage the finish process was to bring Cerakote in-house. The Cerakote guy (Troy) was incredibly talented and did a great job. However, Cerakote never should've been the be all, end all solution, as the process is very cumbersome and the touch time is significant.
MB
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The Gen 1's were covered by the first of two issued patents, so need to say "pending."
MB
So my first Vudoo is 26xx, would that be considered gen 1.2? My second one I purchased right before the 360 was announced.
I've been getting this question a lot via PM, so I'll go around the block to get across the street on this one, so bear with me.
The Gen 1 receiver was a two-piece receiver that used an insert to negate the lug ways forward of the mid lock abutments; a feature that I never liked about the 40X. In the Gen 1, and based on the first patent, the abutments were machined into the receiver body and the insert went in from the front to make up the secondary bore that supported the bolt nose.
The early Gen 2 production was also a two-piece receiver, but based on the second issued patent, the abutments were a machined feature of the insert, not the receiver body. So, there's a reason the Gen 1 and early Gen 2 actions felt better, although "feel" is subjective, so some, as in very few, like to argue about this.
So now, Gen 1.2....During Gen 1, the Remington style cocking piece was used (remember, I designed what became to be the V-22 to be the re-introduction of the Remington 40X Rimfire, but as a repeater). This cocking piece was sourced by Vudoo and the dimensional quality was all over the map. As it was, I didn't like the design because of the 60 degree engagement between the cocking surface on the cocking piece and sear surface in the triggers. The sear pressure, coupled with the 60 degree angles moved the rear of the bolt off-axis which reduced lug contact on what was the top lug with bolt closed. Not ideal.
So, these two conditions together is what fed the need to re-design the fire control system, which initially had the same 60 degree surfaces in play, but the new cocking piece was far easier to machine and do so repeatably. The goals going forward were to completely eliminate the 60 degree surfaces, which was a large coordinated effort between Vudoo (as in me) and the trigger makers. I went to Timney and came away with a prototype trigger with a vertical sear and made a vertical sear cocking piece (it's the trigger that still lives in my first nine twist build). I also worked with Flavio Fare in Italy (actually, with his son, Fabio) and made some vertical sear triggers that were out-of-this-world. I still have one of those triggers in my Three60.
Anyway, changing the course of what was a design deficiency (that originated in the late 50's) was a difficult task of wading through molasses, as status quo was so much easier....possibly a story for another time.
That's the history, now to answer your question. The easiest way to discern Gen 1 vs Gen 1.2 fire control systems is to simply look at the cocking piece in your known-to-be Gen 1 build. If the visible diameter of the cocking piece is roughly .375" diameter protruding through an open bolt shroud, that's a Gen 1 fire control. If the visible diameter is roughly .125" (it's actually slightly larger, but I can't remember the actual diameter) and there's a small hole perpendicular to the longitudinal axis, protruding from a closed bolt shroud, that's the Gen 1.2 fire control in a known-to-be Gen 1 build.
Hope this helps,
MB
I still fall back on getting the maker of the actions, back into the picture. Let them work in partnership with an established builder of Precision Rifles or barreled actions, and a builder who does not live or die off the profits made from buying and selling one low profit margin action. MPA and GAPrecision or two that come to mind.
This isn’t a solution that properly serves the community, but a reaction to the currently known predicament. I’ll explain why in a post I’ll make here within the next eight hours.
MB
No worries, I’ll wait. Like at my age why am I even taking part in this conversation? Purchasing another rifle makes no sense when I need to be divesting our collection of single action handguns, hunting rifles and other firearms that haven’t seen the light of day in a long, long time. Still, the Vudoo I took delivery last April, has been one of the joys of my life, virtually taking over all my shooting time and energy. I suppose that’s why I am so concerned. If Vudoo was stable, Another might actually be a future purchase if my blessed good health continues.
Dude, you are THE guy that should be contributing and I’m glad you’re here. Stay tuned.
MB
I have no dog in this fight ( making do with much less expensive rifles but do see the appeal of a first class 22 bolt gun) but perhaps all this worry is for naught? Sure things could have been handled much better in regards to communications and not taking orders days prior to a relocation. But maybe everything works out in the end? I suspect the staff existing at the time of the closure were blind sided and had no idea it was coming?
Not sure you have seen all the posts on this and other forums where people have paid VGW in full for rifles that were not delivered.
IF VGW was going to stay in business and maintain a healthy reputation they would have contacted those people at the very least. They would also have noted their website instead of letting people order and pay for parts and accessories that they likely won't get. A simple notation on the VGW website telling your loyal clients you were going to be away from email and phones during the move would have been proper. These things and the fact that they quit paying their vendors a couple months ago all point to something that smells like a tequila poop in your girl friend's undies.
Ok, so it's pretty easy to say that the last three weeks have been quite interesting. Part of what's interesting is the range of reactions, comments, concerns, and so forth, to something that has affected this community, but overall, what it means to me is the impact of what started a number of years ago has been significant. I won't break all of that down here, but what I will say is, there's a very specific outcome related to the impact of what started years ago and the news we all received a few weeks ago and ultimately, it has the potential to work incredibly well for the betterment of what we enjoy if we manage it properly.
While it's been noisy for the last three weeks, in reality, it started for me more than six months ago via various things leading up to the doors closing at VGW but, during the course of all the noise, angst, and uncertainty in the community, my attention was directed elsewhere as a matter of where and why I was willing to focus on something better.
But before I get into what's to come, I'll ask, what happens if we wait? What happens if we don't act at all? What happens if we're willing to be led around by the nose? What happens if there's an inability to seize what I mean when I say, "betterment?" Two things....the first is maintaining status quo in the community, and the second, unfortunately, is to go backwards. What we've come to know over many years is how to wring out the capabilities of a mid-lock rimfire action. The 40X led the way, but never reliably as a repeater and that changed for the community beginning in August 2017. Shortly after the intro, two other companies did what? That age old process of R&D....Ripoff and Duplicate (I'm being descriptive, not critical, they did a great job). So, more mid-lock rimfire actions entered the market.
So now, if what was recommended in post #11,205 occurs, it occurs because someone let status quo be acceptable. Someone allowed the arrogance of those that have been part of the problem, and knows no ones name in this community, to dictate the path when they're darn good and ready and the market will never be pushed to what is considered an advancement. The go backwards option is to go the route of at least two nearly identical 40X copies, which means we've not come very far at all in some number of years.
Before I get to the part you guys are waiting for, I’ll say that I started this thread in August 2017. I'm keeping the thread as a continuation of A LOT of history and as a measuring device to how far we can take this thing, but it now has a new name. I'm not quite sure yet what to do with the Single Shot thread, but I'll sit on that for at least another day. My initial thoughts are to delete it and move the Single Shot topic into this thread by way of anyone having a question, comment or news about the Single Shot to just post it.
So now, what's the path? I formed a company called DeLane Development Group, LLC. What I've decided based on tons of outreach from this community and lots of research is, I'm going to support the current Vudoo owners by supplying high quality spare parts to keep your current rifles running for as long as you care to shoot them. I struggled with this decision, but, I can't abandon the platform nor will I abandon the community that has supported me over the years. I'll say, I'm not doing the parts because it has anything to do with money, it's likely a break-even venture, but I feel I owe it to the people that have put their faith in something that has my name on it. I don't plan to stock a lot of inventory, but certainly enough to ship quickly and will replenish as it makes sense. I'll be running smaller quantities so I can't guarantee the pricing will be cheaper than the prior source, but I'll work through that as I go.
Secondly, I will be introducing the next generation true-to-scale rimfire action that's designed to push the envelope beyond that of the mid-lock. This action will be one of three available rimfire actions (none of which will be based on the 40X) that a multitude of platforms will utilize. Due to the reaction I'll likely get from some that won't take this as good news, this is all the detail I'm prepared to provide at the moment.
Next steps. Those interested in spare parts can contact me at: [email protected]. As I did back in 2015-'16 time-frame with assembling and shipping magazines and doing 40X Repeater Conversions, I'll keep a running log and ship individual parts based on what parts are ordered. I'll also create parts kits of the most used parts and that kit will have its own part number. As I mentioned in at least a couple posts, I gave away what parts I had to guys that reached out early, so I will be building inventory starting tomorrow. Those that don't email me can reach me via PM and we can also keep the dialogue running in this thread. The intent of me announcing this is to provide some breathing room for those that have reached out and those that have expressed concerns about parts on various forums.
Now, how can you guys help me? First, I don't do mainstream social media like Facebook, Instagram, etc. At some point, I'll create a DeLane Development Group FB page, but until I announce that it's up and running, please spread the word on social media for those that are anxious about it. I've received several screen shots where the topic is parts availability, so I'm aware that the concern is widespread.
Lastly, I'll no longer talk about Vudoo (the company) or entertain details about their future, speculation of what happened, etc. However, I will discuss the rifles as it pertains to supporting them by way of parts or other technical/functional questions. My focus is to move forward and focus on what specifically benefits this community. If they re-open, move, whatever; great, I wish them the best, but to me, moving and re-opening is of no consequence as I only care about advancing what we all enjoy.
From here, I imagine it will be mere seconds before the floodgates open, so, I'm strapped in and ready to go.
Thank you to all of you....here we go.
MB
DeLane Development Group, LLC
While it's been noisy for the last three weeks, in reality, it started for me more than six months ago via various things leading up to the doors closing at VGW but, during the course of all the noise, angst, and uncertainty in the community, my attention was directed elsewhere as a matter of where and why I was willing to focus on something better.
But before I get into what's to come, I'll ask, what happens if we wait? What happens if we don't act at all? What happens if we're willing to be led around by the nose? What happens if there's an inability to seize what I mean when I say, "betterment?" Two things....the first is maintaining status quo in the community, and the second, unfortunately, is to go backwards. What we've come to know over many years is how to wring out the capabilities of a mid-lock rimfire action. The 40X led the way, but never reliably as a repeater and that changed for the community beginning in August 2017. Shortly after the intro, two other companies did what? That age old process of R&D....Ripoff and Duplicate (I'm being descriptive, not critical, they did a great job). So, more mid-lock rimfire actions entered the market.
So now, if what was recommended in post #11,205 occurs, it occurs because someone let status quo be acceptable. Someone allowed the arrogance of those that have been part of the problem, and knows no ones name in this community, to dictate the path when they're darn good and ready and the market will never be pushed to what is considered an advancement. The go backwards option is to go the route of at least two nearly identical 40X copies, which means we've not come very far at all in some number of years.
Before I get to the part you guys are waiting for, I’ll say that I started this thread in August 2017. I'm keeping the thread as a continuation of A LOT of history and as a measuring device to how far we can take this thing, but it now has a new name. I'm not quite sure yet what to do with the Single Shot thread, but I'll sit on that for at least another day. My initial thoughts are to delete it and move the Single Shot topic into this thread by way of anyone having a question, comment or news about the Single Shot to just post it.
So now, what's the path? I formed a company called DeLane Development Group, LLC. What I've decided based on tons of outreach from this community and lots of research is, I'm going to support the current Vudoo owners by supplying high quality spare parts to keep your current rifles running for as long as you care to shoot them. I struggled with this decision, but, I can't abandon the platform nor will I abandon the community that has supported me over the years. I'll say, I'm not doing the parts because it has anything to do with money, it's likely a break-even venture, but I feel I owe it to the people that have put their faith in something that has my name on it. I don't plan to stock a lot of inventory, but certainly enough to ship quickly and will replenish as it makes sense. I'll be running smaller quantities so I can't guarantee the pricing will be cheaper than the prior source, but I'll work through that as I go.
Secondly, I will be introducing the next generation true-to-scale rimfire action that's designed to push the envelope beyond that of the mid-lock. This action will be one of three available rimfire actions (none of which will be based on the 40X) that a multitude of platforms will utilize. Due to the reaction I'll likely get from some that won't take this as good news, this is all the detail I'm prepared to provide at the moment.
Next steps. Those interested in spare parts can contact me at: [email protected]. As I did back in 2015-'16 time-frame with assembling and shipping magazines and doing 40X Repeater Conversions, I'll keep a running log and ship individual parts based on what parts are ordered. I'll also create parts kits of the most used parts and that kit will have its own part number. As I mentioned in at least a couple posts, I gave away what parts I had to guys that reached out early, so I will be building inventory starting tomorrow. Those that don't email me can reach me via PM and we can also keep the dialogue running in this thread. The intent of me announcing this is to provide some breathing room for those that have reached out and those that have expressed concerns about parts on various forums.
Now, how can you guys help me? First, I don't do mainstream social media like Facebook, Instagram, etc. At some point, I'll create a DeLane Development Group FB page, but until I announce that it's up and running, please spread the word on social media for those that are anxious about it. I've received several screen shots where the topic is parts availability, so I'm aware that the concern is widespread.
Lastly, I'll no longer talk about Vudoo (the company) or entertain details about their future, speculation of what happened, etc. However, I will discuss the rifles as it pertains to supporting them by way of parts or other technical/functional questions. My focus is to move forward and focus on what specifically benefits this community. If they re-open, move, whatever; great, I wish them the best, but to me, moving and re-opening is of no consequence as I only care about advancing what we all enjoy.
From here, I imagine it will be mere seconds before the floodgates open, so, I'm strapped in and ready to go.
Thank you to all of you....here we go.
MB
DeLane Development Group, LLC
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