DeLane Development Group Rimfire Ventures
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Hopefully, I'm not going way out in left field on this idea but here goes. Is there any chance @RAVAGE88 can produce a super accurate rimfire with a Fortner / straight-pull action that would fit in a R700 stock or chassis?
Yes, I know that Anschutz and Volquartsen already produce rifles with those actions but I'm confident that @RAVAGE88 has the skill to design one that can top those other manufacturers.
I realize that sounds like a crazy, outside of the box request. Yet, @RAVAGE88 was thinking outside the box when he started making super accurate rifles that had a 700 footprint years ago and look how it took off!
Pardon me while I slip into something flame-retardant.
Yes, I know that Anschutz and Volquartsen already produce rifles with those actions but I'm confident that @RAVAGE88 has the skill to design one that can top those other manufacturers.
I realize that sounds like a crazy, outside of the box request. Yet, @RAVAGE88 was thinking outside the box when he started making super accurate rifles that had a 700 footprint years ago and look how it took off!
Pardon me while I slip into something flame-retardant.
Ok, things are moving. I've been entering everyone into the bookkeeping software, which I have enough info based on the emails to make a sizable dent, but I'll email a number of you to gather some remaining info.
The spring supplier is set up, we're finalizing a few remaining details and production cranks up again. No big deal. The available springs will be:
I'll have updates on small parts and rails maybe later today, but overall, getting everything cranked up is going very well. Stay tuned.
MB
The spring supplier is set up, we're finalizing a few remaining details and production cranks up again. No big deal. The available springs will be:
- Repeater Firing Pin: Standard 22 lbf
- Single Shot Firing Pin: Assortment Pack for V-22S
- Extractor (X2 per kit)
- Side Bolt Release (All Gens)
- Magazine (Polymer and Aluminum Versions)
I'll have updates on small parts and rails maybe later today, but overall, getting everything cranked up is going very well. Stay tuned.
MB
For readers in general, Anschutz produces rifles with Fortner actions. Volquartsen doesn't.
Very true and glad to see you pop back in. I know the track he's on, for which, I'll generalize by action type and not the Fortner specifically.
I have carnal knowledge of what happens when someone copies the Fortner....
MB
No, I didn’t that I saw, let me check spam.
Edit: replied to my own email to get it to the top on your inbox.
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Understood and PII deleted.
My fault, I "green flagged" you and either didn't hit "send" for the reply or missed the reply altogether, but you were good to go on the first email.
MB
I mentioned the Fortner / straight pull action because I think that the sidelever is superior to any other design.
The only straight pull actions that I've had experience with were a 1960s Browning T-Bolt, Savage Impulse and an FX Air Rifle.
So between those three, I like the sidelever because moving the hand from the trigger to the sidelever is faster, smoother and takes less movement that the other actions.
Just my two cents worth and thanks for thinking about it. BTW, I'm not getting any younger.
So the sooner a super accurate sidelever rimfire comes out from the DeLane Development Group the better. You would make an old man like me very happy
The APR version fixes problems with the existing 1727-F, see demo of the modified version at the 2min mark.
Yep, I knew the track you were on and why and I appreciate the input because it continues to feed direction.I mentioned the Fortner / straight pull action because I think that the sidelever is superior to any other design.
The only straight pull actions that I've had experience with were a 1960s Browning T-Bolt, Savage Impulse and an FX Air Rifle.
So between those three, I like the sidelever because moving the hand from the trigger to the sidelever is faster, smoother and takes less movement that the other actions.
Just my two cents worth and thanks for thinking about it. BTW, I'm not getting any younger.
So the sooner a super accurate sidelever rimfire comes out from the DeLane Development Group the better. You would make an old man like me very happy
I started the Impulse project at Savage and wrote the ORD. To get it into the mix was a knife fight in the front office for reasons I won't get into, but there's something to be said for a straight pull when executed correctly. When the Impulse intro'd, Savage sold more than a years worth of business in less than a week (I don't remember the exact period of time, so I'm being conservative, but it was surprisingly fast).
MB
Never in their wildest dreams….
I fought the Accu-Trigger battle a few times. The CEO said, “it’s the best trigger we’ve ever made!” My response was, “no, the best trigger you’ve ever made hasn’t been made yet.” He was speechless….
MB
Absolutely, I’m left handed. But I shoot RH because of the right eye dominance, but still….
MB
Looks like MPA is filling the gap with spare parts as well. Id imagine a lot going on behind the scenes with that relationship. Wonder what is to come!
Edit: Would always prefer to give Mike my business here. I'll wait for his parts to roll out.
Edit: Would always prefer to give Mike my business here. I'll wait for his parts to roll out.
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Dude, I'm all sorts of messed up. Write left, bat left, throw a baseball right but a football left. When I tried golf, I drove right but putted left. Handgun, rifle, and shotgun have been right from a young age.
MB
You can’t imagine how much our left handed son feels about this. He gets downright militant.
But there is a rather sad ending to all this. Brenda was left eye dominant but taught herself to shoot with her right eye and has become quite a very good shot. Right Handed. I am Right Handed. That’s not a statement, that’s a lament. We own many firearms that he likes and wants to inherit, but they are all specific right handed firearms.
Dang those are a little pricy aren’t they? Surgeon Rifles pricing right there, lol.
I was fortunate enough to be born semi-amphibious.
I too swim left handed but walk on land right handed.
Ambidextrous*
Dude, I KNEW you were gonna say that.
I was gonna ask, “can you imagine what it would be with three more Sigmas?”
MB
I'm right there with you on this. I shoot long gun right hand with my right eye and a handgun left handed with my left eye. I shoot with both eyes open and an right eye dominant. I don't know why but I have been doing it that way for as long as I can remember.
Transitions from long gun to handgun are smooth this way though...
I'm trying to decide if you're more messed up than I am....like, did we get dropped on our heads or something?
MB
Ok, it's been a good week. As I mentioned earlier today, all the springs are set to start running, just waiting on me to finish organizing a few things (part numbers, pricing, etc.) in the bookkeeping software and I'll punch out some POs. Delivery for springs (to me) is two to six weeks ARO.
I made a bit of an investment and all the small parts (see list below) are now set to run again after I do what I mentioned above. The only small parts needing a production solution are the extractors and plungers, but no big deal. They're not highly called upon as spares unless one fiddles around and shoots one into the heater duct. I also need to see if the side bolt release for the later Three60's had a rev push, but I'll validate that by early next week.
Small Parts:
As I've worked through this, I've noted that it's better across the board to offer a complete parts kit. To manage individual parts on a per Gen basis is cumbersome and confusing. And, it's not like these parts get replaced a lot.
Lastly, two of the four actions are pretty well through the design phase, one of which is basically ready for some industrial engineering. I've been thinking I may do a V-22 replacement, but, I don't see that approach as relevant any longer. From the perspective of history, it's pretty awesome to see where we came from, but, based on the pretty incredible outreach I've received, the community is moving on. There's still a lot to do on these, but that's why I'm doing V-22 parts first. Keep them running (parts will always be available) and then step up if you so choose.
Onward and upward, Fellas....
MB
I made a bit of an investment and all the small parts (see list below) are now set to run again after I do what I mentioned above. The only small parts needing a production solution are the extractors and plungers, but no big deal. They're not highly called upon as spares unless one fiddles around and shoots one into the heater duct. I also need to see if the side bolt release for the later Three60's had a rev push, but I'll validate that by early next week.
Small Parts:
- Firing Pins (repeater and single shot, 22LR only for now)
- Cocking Pieces (early Gen 1 that used the Rem700 CP still needs a solution)
- Rails (open source dowels and screws OTS)
- Side Bolt Release (all Gens)
- Ejector (all Gens)
- Extractors (working on production solution)
- Extractor Plunger (working on production solution)
- Threaded Pins (all Gens)
- Bolt Knobs
- Action Wrenches (all Gens, completing plans)
As I've worked through this, I've noted that it's better across the board to offer a complete parts kit. To manage individual parts on a per Gen basis is cumbersome and confusing. And, it's not like these parts get replaced a lot.
Lastly, two of the four actions are pretty well through the design phase, one of which is basically ready for some industrial engineering. I've been thinking I may do a V-22 replacement, but, I don't see that approach as relevant any longer. From the perspective of history, it's pretty awesome to see where we came from, but, based on the pretty incredible outreach I've received, the community is moving on. There's still a lot to do on these, but that's why I'm doing V-22 parts first. Keep them running (parts will always be available) and then step up if you so choose.
Onward and upward, Fellas....
MB
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The fact there isn't a rifle in the pic is telling IMO.
I see they locked the comments on their IG post. That was a wise decision.
And deleted the comments on FB.
Like I stated, the community is moving on....
Onward and upward....
MB
Like I stated, the community is moving on....
Onward and upward....
MB
They took a picture from a recent post. If memory serves it said something about copying.
Well, this specific part of the community is moving onward/upward with you. I wouldn't touch "Vudoo" with somebody else's 10-foot pole anymore.
Supposedly they don’t own the patent on the action. Not exactly sure what that means for them moving forward.
Actually, I assigned the two issued patents to the company, but I'm the noted inventor. But, the patents have zero value as assets to the company and they'er no longer valid since Three Sigma manufactured around them shortly into Gen 2 production.
MB
As a direct competitor to VGW, MPA is using them, but I can't speak to whether they're sold direct to MPA or not. But, without VGW in the picture, I could easily see Three Sigma continuing to make and sell VGW actions to whoever would buy them.
MB
Been waiting a long time for this vudoo 360 barreled action!!
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