Quicky Question: Controlled Round Feed

turbo54

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Is it cool to drop a round in the chamber, then close the bolt on it, forcing the claw over the rim of the cartridge???

On a Mauser?
On a Ruger M77?
On a Winchester/FN?

In the world of automatic pistols, which are basically all CRF, it is possible, but not advised to do this, and is called a "Bubba-Load".
 
Re: Quicky Question: Controlled Round Feed

it puts unwanted/unneeded pressures on the extractor...if needed it's ok, i would not make it a habit...snap the round into the magazine first, what's it take?
 
Re: Quicky Question: Controlled Round Feed

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: 91xlt</div><div class="ubbcode-body">it puts unwanted/unneeded pressures on the extractor...if needed it's ok, i would not make it a habit...snap the round into the magazine first, what's it take? </div></div>

I have been chambering from the magazine on my FN because I realize it was designed to. Just wasn't sure if it made zero difference. My shooting buddy has a pre64 style winchester but he closes the bolt on a chambered round.

Anyway, thanks for the input.
 
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I have a few Winchesters (actually a lot) both PF and CF. It doesnt make a differecne with either.

Except when I'm hunting, thats all I do, single load then close the bolt on the chambered round. No biggie.

In fact my Model 70 300 WM 1000 yard rifle is a single shot. I lay the round on a felt pad until ready to shoot, this way the round doesn't heat up until the target comes up and I'm ready to push the round into the chamber with my finger and close the bolt.

Maybe in my 50 or so years of shooting a Model 70 I've been doing it wrong but the only problem I encountered with Winchesters was shooting out barrels but I can't believe thats do to the way I chamber the round.
 
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The earliest Mauser 98's have a shallow ramp built into the extractor space in the action that was designed to force the extractor into the cartridge head for fool-proof (read US Marine design) extraction. When a round was forced into the chamber it could, and did, damage or break the edge of the extractor. With a little aftermarket relief there the extractor will snap over the cartridge head without damage. The later rifles have the relief built in...but, controlled round feed means just that...the controlled feed extractors are really designed to have the round feed up under the big extractor. Most will accept a force feed...but not the way it was designed by Peter Paul Mauser. Better metals now, means that it really doesn't matter. Except for extra force on your fingers. Early Rugers have a big extractor, but not a controlled feed...they were designed to snap over the cartridge head. The later Rugers are a real controlled feed extractor...but will accept a force feed. JMHO
 
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Speaking for the FN SPR, PBR-XP and TSR-XPs:

In 2003, FNH conducted a 15,000 round endurance test of one SPR-A1 in .308 Winchester. During the test, we fired the entire test in 5 round sequences from six 4 round DBM magazines. That meant we had to thumb-load into the chamber the first round of each sequence. The extractor therefore snapped over 3000 cartridge rims. During the test, the extractor never failed to feed, extract, or perform in any other way. In fact, no part of the rifle failed to perform as designed except for three of the DBM magazines. We lost three of them to spring fatigue. Based on that test, we redesigned the spring.

Many things we buy today (appliances, cell phones, cars, etc.) are built to last only a few years so we are inclined to buy another one when it wears out. Firearms are an exception to that rule (most of them, anyway). When properly maintained and operated, they will last a lifetime, maybe two or three. How many Springfields and Mausers built in the early part of the 20th century are still serviceable?

I am lucky and very proud to work for FNH USA. We build a lot of pretty damned good firearms. I am most impressed and proud of our SPR/TSR line, always have been. Mostly from first hand experience. Even if I did not work for FNH USA, I'd still shoot SPRs.

Semper fidelis,
 
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I have been loading my Winchester M70 Stealth both ways and don't see any wear on the extractor yet. I load directly into the chamber when I am shooting on the bench, but load 4 rounds into the mag when shooting prone.

It's a FN-SPR action, so what Action Guy said should make you guys a little more relaxed about single loading your CRF rifle.

This is the most accurate .308 I own. It shoots tighter groups than my TRG-22 and Custom 700's did. I am very impressed with the FNH action and quality of workmanship. This ones a keeper.