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I wanted to start a conversation on buying and selling on this forum when it comes to shipping, shipping insurance and the courier used and PayPal. At what point does the responsibility of the seller end and the responsibility for the buyer begin? I think this is a fairly straightforward answer.

First my stance on the issue. I do not believe the seller is responsible for the package from beginning to end. Obviously if you as the seller package the items like crap and things are damaged, or if you sell a product broken and don't disclose that, you are fully responsible and you're a dirtbag thief. What I am talking about is if the seller follows the deal outlined in the add fully, is prompt and sends the package the way parties agreed, such as USPS priority mail, Fedex, UPS - insured or not insured, then once it is shipped, then the courier has the box and the responsibility to get that box to the buyer is with courier, not the seller. If the package is lost in transit that's the couriers fault not the seller, but is the seller obligated to refund money? EVEN if the package was fully or partially insured, still the responsibility is on the courier and the buyer to recover the insured value with the amount of insurance they purchased, if it was offered and purchased the original deal. Sure maybe the seller needs to file some claim paperwork for the buyer to get his/her money but that I am sure isn't an issues for most.

If a seller does not offer insurance as part of the deal and you do not prompt the seller to add insurance then I believe that is on the buyer. Why would you assume your item is insured if it is not clearly stated in the add? If unsure, then ask! You agreed to a deal, that deal did not include extras you did not pay for or asked for. Most of us are not a business where we have product laying around we can just resend, or charge back to the manufacture.

Now the sticky issue with PayPal. Paying with goods and services vs paying friends and family. So apparently the process for making a claim on PayPay does not differentiate between these two. As soon as a complaint is made, your account is deducted money, without investigation, without due process with either option. PayPal holds the money till the "investigation" is complete (up to 30 days). You go through a long process of providing "evidence" and have to wait for their decision. In the meantime, you are sent an email saying your account will be reviewed because you sold goods and services without paying the fee and your account status will be reviewed. Meaning, one will probably lose PayPal access. So FF is always good to save a little money with a buddy, but you could lose your privilege of use if you do FF with a stranger, even if the buyer chose to pay you FF, chose not to add insurance or more insurance, but then files a claim.

This is a place for fellowship, making friends and support a community of like minded people, no one wants to hurt anyone or make enemies? When a package is lost, it hurts us all and the classified section. My advice, always insure for at least your cost, if you don't it's your risk. So what is your option on this guys?
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Reloading Equipment 6mm Bullets; Hybrid, DTAC

Looking to sell or trade some bullets. Prices are BEFORE shipping


1) 105 Hybrids 2x 100 boxes. $99.99

2) 440 plus 115gr DTACs non coated non rbt. $139.99 or trade for 600 105gr Hornady BTHP.

3) Unknown 115gr bullets. 240 plus total. I have no idea what they are, but they came in a DTAC box with a lot of bullets $79.99
Trade for 300 105gr BTHPs

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How bad did I F*** up?

I will start with I am not a hunter but love to shoot. My family has some property that my brother hunts every year. My wife and I decided we wanted to shoot our pistols today (opening day weekend for rifle hunting deer). We went about 3:30 pm shooting in a valley where we has year round tragets and he was hunting 3 ridges over, about .5 miles as the crow flies.

Just how inconsiderate was this from a hunters perspective?

You could hear others out shooting all around so it wasn't like we were the only ones making noise. I figured if anything our shots would scare any deer towards my brother. I think the worst part is he and I discussed me target shooting this weekend on Thursday and how it could piss some people off. I even said I try not to shoot at the property during deer season just to be respectful but I figured the day was almost over (gets dark around 5 this time of year), we weren't near him, and we weren't shooting big rifles, just 9mm and .40

Kool Aid Pop Quiz

Was out at the range today with @TheGerman (Yes he is still alive, and everything you have heard is true) and ran into someone who either drank all of the kool aid, or got personal lessons from @clcustom1911 .

We did a quick zero check on our MK12's when someone pulled up asking if we were shooting at 100 yards towards True North. We think he was trying to impress us with his "knowledge" towards a certain concept. He then asked how we shot off the deck comfortably, asked if we had shooting mats, and if we wanted him to setup his spotter to watch our target. We both had to hold in laughter as we went up to our FFP and shot for the rest of the afternoon, watching this guy shoot toward True North at 100 yards.

I am curious if this "discovery" was his ah-ha moment at home when he found a new scapegoat to blame his poor performance on instead of the usual suspects. He can now tell all his friends that this is the only reason why he has "bad days" at the range. Remember his rifle is a tack driver, all he has to do is his job behind the rifle.

So the pop quiz question, why was he so worried about True North? Wrong answers only.

SOLD Gen3 razor mil for sale

I have a gen3 6-36 for sale. I want to try out a mk5 or atacr is the only reason I'm selling. Always tracked well and has been covered since day 1. Turrets have some barricade love but everything functions 100%.$2050 shipped

Mount $200
Send it $200

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SOLD Impact 300 Balckout SBR Price Drop!!

Awesome little SBR for sale. I don’t shoot it as much as I thought I would. Bipod, suppressor, brake not included.

Action Impact 737
Stock Black Foundation MG2
Barrel Bartlein 8” 300 Balckout
Bottom metal Hawkins
Trigger Bixn-Andy Tacsport
Stock is inleted for the Thunder Beast Dominus.
On a form 3 ready for transfer to your dealer.

$2650 shipped
PayPal FF, Venmo, USPS Money Order, Bank Check

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SOLD Impact 6CM *REDUCED*

For sale is a lightly used Impact 737 action with a 28" bartlein barrel that has 12 rounds on it. Chambered by 5×5 precision (Chad Heckler) Contour is the same as a proof comp, 1.250 breech down to 1.00" at the muzzle. 5/8-24 muzzle threads. It's been shot and cleaned for first couple of rounds then I shot 3 on paper at 100 yards. To round out the rifle I’ll include TriggerTech Diamond, Foundation MG2 w/Hawkins bottom metal and 1 Magpul AICS mag. Will ship action with trigger to your FFL, must accept from an individual, and rest to you. Pics to follow, $3200 3000 shipped for all. ALL SPF

New Optic

I haven’t been on here for a while and I’m considering a new scope.
I’ve been considering Arken EP, Bushy Match Pro, Burris XTR, and the Zeiss Conquest v4. I’m sure Zeiss will get the nod but I wanted to ask. Rifle is a heavy weight 300 prc so weight doesn’t concern me any.

I’m an leo if that helps so I have access to sites with some discounts.
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SOLD Garmin Xero C1 Pro x2 $625

Purchased with intention of using but just tore my Rotator cuff and will be out of shooting for several months. This is brand new and can provide receipt from scheels. Asking 625$ shipped and insured. I know this is over retail but with taxes and shipping I figure 675$ish total on my end for expenses. Prefer Zelle but can do Venmo and PayPal f&f also. OBO

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High Schooler Tags Enormous East-Texas Buck That Should Set a New State Record

Great story. Proud of dad who trained his 14 year old daughter, found the buck, did all the leg work and instead of him shooting it, he put his daughter up on the tree stand a let her do it. One shot from a 350 legend and it was down.

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Story here:

BEWARE: New FAKE "gun rights" org run by leftists setting up at gun shows and recruiting the unwary. ARGO (Alliance for Responsible Gun Ownership)

First off, before we get to the heads up note, let's clarify some leftist terminology. In leftist-speak, "responsible" in terms of gun ownership means RESTRICTED until there is practically none.

For leftists, "responsible" gun laws mean:

- Guns must be locked and unloaded with ammo in separate locked cases even in the residence.

- CANNOT be used for self defense or protecting your home/property against violent attack.

- Magazine bans and restrictions.

- NO carrying, as defensive use does not even exist.

- Registration and monthly or even weekly check in requirements with government.

- NO "scary" features like flash hiders and pistol grips no matter what these features really mean or their origin in that firearm's design history.

THAT is what leftists mean whenever they say that they "support responsible gun ownership". NOW, let's get to the alert notice.

Reposted from ARF:

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Heads up: Liberal front group pretending to be a new gun rights org. It appears a California Venture capital guy and media guy, both a history of supporting/donating to only liberals, have started a “gun rights” org based in Los Angeles with either their own money or dark money donors and using it to get people to sign up for free memberships to give themselves legitimacy and to harvest names of gun rights supporters. They appear to be targeting gun shows and social media.

ARGO, Alliance for Responsible Gun Ownership, has a booth set up at the big Wanenmachers Tulsa gun show this weekend. They also left their flyers and posters all around the concessions areas. At the booth they are talking about how they are a gun rights group looking to protect the right to own guns, increase gun education for kids, etc.

They were signing people up with that pitch and membership is free. They had tons of free shirts, hats, and other swag if you signed up for the free membership. Most people just took them at their word that they are pro gun and were signing up and handing over their info.

However, if you look at their nice website they talk about being a new “moderate” gun group and if you read between the lines, they are not really pro gun. It looks like they are trying to position themselves so that when proposed laws come up, they can go in front of committees and the media and pretend to be a legitimate organization that represents that gun owners actually want these restrictive gun laws to pass.

The CEO(and I think founder) is Michael Pierce, a California venture capital guy that has a history of only donating to Obama and other democrats. The COO is Timothy Napier, who also lives in the LA area and has a history of donating to ActBlue and Biden’s campaign. They have a six figure payroll, with a crew of at least 4 people traveling to promote this(including the CEO and COO both at the Wanenmachers show), a full time social media person at $60k a year(job listing online), nice website, etc…all this after only launching a few months ago. Someone is funding this and it’s not gun right supporters.


For those at the big Tulsa show this weekend, the booth is located on the lower level of the expo center on the east wall. I think it’s technically row 18 and it’s right off the center aisle. Just a heads up for those that might be at the show on tomorrow(Sunday) and for people to keep an eye out.
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Please spread the message and try to keep as many unwary people as possible from being conned by this. At first glance, they might have looked to be just another super-Fudd "gun rights organization", but going by their leadership and their credentials, it is safe now to assume that at the very best, they may be a clandestine leftist policy-pushing organization trying to gain enough unwary followers to push through increasingly restrictive gun laws under the guise of "protecting the 2A". At the worst, they may be a honeypot/surveillance program to reel in members of the unsuspecting public so their data, gun ownership details, personal info, etc., can all be gleaned for various insidious purposes.

Stripping paint

Recently I stripped an AR upper and lower back down to the black anodized finish after I got tired of the beat up Duracoat finish I'd sprayed on years ago. I know Duracoat isn't as popular as it once was but I thought I'd talk about the product I used to strip the receivers down, Klean Strip Premium Stripper.

First of all a safety brief, don't fuck around with this stuff, wear heavy duty gloves, not just nitrile ones, and safety glasses when you're using it. It burns when it gets on the skin and you definitely don't want it in your eyes. I primarily use this when I really want to get down to the base material and mostly when that base material is steel or aluminum, in my experience it's not safe for plastic but according to the label it's safe for wood.

I was curious how this would stack up against Citristrip Gel and non-chlorinated brake cleaner, which I also have on hand so I taped off sections of a take off barrel that had been Duracoated and hit sections of the barrel with the Citristrip, Klean Strip, and brake cleaner.

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The long and short of it is Klean Strip will make quick work of a barreled action and after less than an hour with the Klean Strip I could strip the Duracoat off with a wood craft stick. Citristrip Gel wasn't getting it done, if I scrubbed really hard I with a scotchbrite pad I could get a little bit of it off but it was a lot of effort.

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The brake cleaner by itself didn't do much but spraying some onto a scotchbrite pad and scrubbing a section of the barrel got me down to bare metal but it was a lot of effort; I wouldn't want to do a whole barrel that way.

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I left the Citristrip on for about four hours to see if maybe it just took longer on the Duracoat. Nope, about the only thing it did really was make the finish a shade lighter.

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Citristrip does well when I want to strip some rattle can paint off of plastic pieces or other furniture that I want to be more careful with, it's the kinder, gentler paint stripper. For stripping anything short of Cerakote off a barreled action or chassis though Klean Strip is going to be my go to.

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SOLD New Ammo Binders

*Both SPF*

Selling 2 of my 3. Both new, unused. Excellent quality. I no longer have a long action rifle and downsizing my short action collection.

100 round short action .308 size

100-round / magnum-size, (300wm to LM/ Norma/ PRC/ RUM).

$140 shipped each. PayPal Friends and Family or you pick up fees.

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6 ARC - Anyone Regret It? Also considering 22 ARC

Anyone regret jumping in with a 6 ARC in an AR? Was listening to the Hornady podcast and one of the guys has a 16” 6 ARC shooting the new 80gr V-Match at 2780 (factory is over 3k in a 24” tube). This bullet makes me really like the idea of the 6 ARC.

Any reason to not go to it? Thoughts on the 22 ARC?

My requirements are:
- factory ammo (I reload some but not enough to shoot hand loads exclusively)
- 800 to 1000 yds supersonic range
- small frame AR
- anchor coyotes well out to 600 yds or so (I know, guys kill them with 17 HMRs and 204s)
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