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Looks like citizens have had enough​

French Media Reports Vigilante Gang Zip-Tying Rioters And Handing Them to Police

Oliver JJ Lane4 Jul 2023
PARIS, FRANCE - July 2: The Forces of immediate response (F.R.I) is deployed to confront rioters in Paris, on July 2, 2023, after the death of a 17-year-old boy killed by the police in Nanterre in the suburbs of Paris on June 27, 2023. (Photo by Firas Abdullah/Anadolu Agency via …
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The existence of a masked gang of young men tying up rioters in one town is discussed in French language publications, but the mayor insists no such thing exists and tells locals to call the police if they witness unrest.

Witness accounts of a so-called “brigade anticasseur” (anti-thug brigade) in the port town of Lorlent, Brittany are reported by local newspaper Le Télégramme. In addition to what is reported by members of the public to the paper, a journalist for the publication claims to have seen a group of between 20 and 30 “young, hooded men” wearing balaclavas and gloves performing unofficial arrests.

Using zip-ties to restrain alleged rioters, the men are said to have then handed their captures onto the regular police on Friday night as well as having been seen putting out fires. Described as strongly physically built, fast-moving, and proceeding in a tightly-packed group, a report in Ouest France says one member of the group told a journalist that he couldn’t reveal their identities but that “we are on the good side” and that the group was a spontaneous meeting of friends to protect the city-centre.


The paper claims to have witnessed the group arresting a rioter thought to have vandalised a local business, restraining the individual with “visibly well-honed technique”, as well as punching a rioter in the face. While police officers on the scene talking to the paper say they don’t know who the group are, they are welcoming of the help.

One officer is reported to have said to Le Télégramme: “We let it happen at the start of the evening, because it relieved us”.

Local station J’aime Radio claims to have spoken to members of the group on patrol again two nights later, interviewing them anonymously. One who spoke to the station said at first a group of friends decided they wished to stand side-by-side with police but not get involved, but eventually having seen how overwhelmed the small number of officers were becoming compared to the weight of rioters, they felt obliged to get involved.

When asked by the interviewer if the group had any “far-right” connections, a woman replied that: “no, we are just people who want to save France, because France is going to ruin”. She further added that it was their belief the killing of an Algerian-heritage teen by a police officer last week is just being used as an excuse for rioting and looting by youths.

A man added “we are patriots who love France” and that if rioters only had trouble with the police, they could understand that, but the attacks on private businesses for looting underlined the true cause of the violence. He said it was unacceptable to see a small business owner, who may have invested his whole life of savings, and all his energy, see his hard work “go up in smoke” because of looters.


Several outlets including Ouest France, Telegram and Le Figaro all point out that the town of Lorlent is home to a military base but do not go so far as to definitely assert the brigade’s members are off-duty Marines. A spokesman for the Maritime Commandos force stationed at the base is reported to have denied any knowledge of their people being involved.

Despite journalists from several newspapers reporting directly on the activities of the brigade anticasseurs, the mayor of Lorlent moved quickly to dismiss speculation, insisting the vigilantes didn’t, in fact, exist at all. Centre-right UDI party mayor Fabrice Loher said: “In response to a rumour: no, there is no “militia” working alongside the police! Our citizens are called to call… to report any public order issues.”

Generally, rioters using the death of a teenager in a Paris suburb last Tuesday as a pretext for violence and looting have been able to carry on without interruption from the rest of French society, and even the French government was relatively slow in deploying the police in force. While there were 7,000 officers on patrol the first evening of rioting, it took days to reverse the trend of soaring violence with an eventual deployment of 45,000 officers a night, which is still ongoing.

While there were more clashes, fires, and arrests on Monday night, numbers are considerably down on the peak of violence on Thursday and Friday. According to French Interior Ministry figures, there have been 5,821 car fires and well over 1,000 buildings damaged including 254 police stations and 243 schools, including 60 which took significant damage.

In the now seven nights of violence there have been 2,426 arrests. [quote/]

Where do you trust to buy ammo for a good price online?

My local shops aren't exactly cheap when it comes to ammo. I bought two boxes of 143gr Hornady ELD-X to take shooting and they were $47.99/box. I've looked online and found it as cheap as $31.99-ish a box and 200rd cases for $319.

Anywhere in particular you'd suggest? The above is a pretty significant savings and would certainly allow me to shoot more often, which I would like to do!

Finally made it to an outdoor range today

Made it out to the Laramie Rifle Range today - first time I've taken my rifle out to an outdoor range. Biggest bummer is how far - 2.5hr one way. Good news is that it's a pretty good looking drive.

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Reminder of the rifle I have.

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Road to infinity!

Had to be there at 10am for orientation so I could become a member. Very nice facilities!

Brought 60 rounds with me and started off at the 600yrd deck.

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Got on-target at 600yds within 6 shots. After that, I was about 80% on-target at the human silhouette with misses due to wind. I was honestly surprised how easy 600yds was with this rifle.

I then backed it out to 1000yds and shot at the same silhouette. I was about 60% on-target as well, only took 3 shots to get on target (I doubled my elevation on the optic and it was darn near on, hence the three shots to get on). The Vortex Gen3 6-36 is more than enough optic for that distance. I actually backed it out a little so it was easier to see misses.

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The brake also made a HUGE difference, like, more than I even thought possible. It's just a simple Thunder Beast brake/adapter for their suppressors (I haven't bought the suppressor yet) but the difference in recoil was substantial. The first time I shot this rifle, I put 60rds through it at an indoor 100yd range and my shoulder was SORE. This time, not a single pain.

I wish ammo wasn't so expensive - I had 20rds of Hornady 140gr Match ammo and bought 40 rds of the 143gr ELD-X hunting ammo. Both seem to shoot quite well with this rifle. Those two boxes of ELD-X were $103. Woof. Not to mention gas for a 5hr round trip! I think this might be a once-a-month kind of visit. lol

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Still some snow on the mountains down by Laramie. Those buildings in the foreground are the rest of the range where they have their pistol, 100 & 200yd rifle ranges, rimfire range, bays for 3-gun practice, and... something else. The slanted roof is the clubhouse.

Rifle Scopes Maxed out windage on Razor LHT

A friend has a Daniel Defense Delta 5 chassis gun in 308. It had a Nightforce NSX 3.5-15 on it but he was having problems tracking or holding zero, I can't remember. He wanted it replaced and asked me to help put on a Vortex Razor LHT. He had never done it and didn't have the tools. It has Warne rings and so I pulled off the ring caps off, took the Nightforce off, dropped on the Razor, and had him check his eye relief and leveled the scope. I torqued down the ring caps to 18 inch-lbs. Done.

I usually pull the bolt and bore sight down the barrel. I happened to see my Leupold bore sighter and thought, I'll just slap this on the end of the barrel and bore sight it quick for him. Hoping it would get him on paper at 100yds. I had to max out the windage to get it to line up with the bore sight. Hopefully when he shoots it'll have to come back the other way a little. The Leupold bore sight tool is the one that is a periscope style and magnetically attaches to the muzzle. I'm hoping there is some error in that.

Looking at the two scopes the Nightforce has twice as much windage travel as the Razor LHT. Any other ways to correct this?

SOLD Burris XTR Pro 5.5-30x illuminated SCR2 Mil $1650

Burris XTR Pro 5.5-30x illuminated SCR2 mil reticle. All original packaging. Caps, sunshade, throw lever etc. - SOLD

Burris XTR3i 3.3-18x SCR2 mil reticle. Illuminated version. Never even got to use this. Mounted and that was it. Original packaging and exposed windage knob included- $950 shipped and insured. - SOLD

Prices are PayPal personal, Venmo or Zelle.

Trades:
Nightforce NX8 Mil
6.5 PRC reloading components

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Firearms Aero Precision 6mm ARC Upper

16” Aero Precision Upper with Aero Breach charging handle. 4 Duramags included, (1) 30 round, (2) 15 round, (1) 10 round mag. 170 rounds of Hornady 6mm ARC 103 grain ELDX ammunition included. $600 plus shipping.

200 rounds on the barrel, minor scratches, carbon staining on the muzzle brake.

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SOLD Colt LE6920-FBP2 Rifle

I have an excellent condition Colt LE6920-FBP2 rifle. This rifle is the one Colt build for the FBI program. All factory Colt built and cage code marked. Very few rounds through it (200). Will sell just the bare rifle for $1250 shipped to your ffl or the rifle with the aimpoint h2, iron sights and grips for $1800 shipped to your ffl.
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Accessories WTS/T pistol lights, and MCX rail

*updated 1/1/24*

NIB Surefire XH30 master fire pistol light $275 shipped

NIB Surefire X400VH-B-IRC master fire pistol light $625 shipped

Streamlight TLR2-IRW pistol light, like new, $150

Midwest Ind. 8.25” forend for the MCX (not Virtus) NIB $115 shipped


Payment can be Zelle, ApplePay, Venmo or Cashapp.

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Teaching kids to shoot

Its time to teach my 6 year old to shoot (.22 and youth bow) She's left handed (like me), but I'm pretty certain she's right eye dominant ( not like me). Question to the hide, should I match her up to her dominant hand or eye? Teach her to hold rifle/ bow right handed or left? I'm thinking right handed would be easiest?

I haven't bought a bow yet, but am looking. Any suggestions? She has about an 18" draw.

How many mags per weapon...

So, while Maggot was asking about how good GunMagWarehouse is, I was excited to learn that many of you have purchased many times from this vendor within the same year and I jokingly asked how many mags you guys need. And while that was a joke it does make me wonder how many mags people typically store for each weapon. I don’t mean for a load out on your plate carrier to larp around the basement. I mean how many do you think you should have stored long term for each weapon for whatever reason? So let’s here it. How many mags for say ARs/AKs, sub guns, pistols, bolt guns and so on?

Shooting platforms for shooting prone

Making a range for personal use for me and my wife, a few friends will join us time to time. Looking for what size platforms will be adequate for up to 3 shooters. I was set on 10x12 but now I’m thinking possibly 10x16. I will be setting it on 4 poles buried and concrete in place. Went today to drop everything off on the property and start working ground for the range and platform.

Some ideas and pictures of any you have built or used for inspiration would be great.

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SOLD Shiloh 1874 Sharps Hartford in 45-70

Shiloh Sharps 1874 Hartford in 45-70…Double set triggers , Lee Shaver long range vernier sight and front globe with inserts as well as upgrade to
fancy wood .. It is mint except for a small scratch on the underside of the pewter tip on fore-stock. Rifle has always had trail boss cowboy loads and never black powder. Very accurate and a blast to shoot ..

Asking $2850.00 for rifle and all the ammo and brass I have for it..
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"Best" "AR-10" for precision?

Totally newb at semi auto rifles and I'm sorry if this has been asked before.

Due to legislative changes (not US resident) it seems semi auto rifles might be available on a hunters licence and that has started me entertaining a thought of getting one.

It requires though that the barrell is at least 18" and it can not be a "build" due to parts availability. Ideally it would have the same precision as my TRG, if that is even possible.

Budget wise I would say $3000 which is about what a Daniel Defece at spec would cost me where I'm at.

Will mainly be used from a blind, but wheight is a factor. As light as possible I suppose.

But is DD the only option? Aero Precision? Or is a Ruger SFAR enough? Any other OOTB rifle good enough?

Any comment appreciated.

Rifle Scopes Should I Upgrade?

Hi guys and gals. Long time lurker here.

I’m fighting myself over “upgrading” from my Leupold VXIII 3.5-10x40 LR/T illuminated mil dot reticle with M1 turrets. Seems like these scopes have a good reputation and from what I see for sale they hold their value well. The more I read the more I’m wondering if it’s not much of an upgrade.

I find myself wanting more magnification and an updated reticle. Looking at a Vortex Viper PST gen II 5-25x50.

I feel like the magnification would be a benefit for shooting groups (300 yards at my local range) but the updated reticle and matching turrets would be a bigger benefit.

Rifle is a 700 SPS in .308. Bell and Carlson Medalist stock.

So talk me off the ledge or push me off the ledge.
Thanks in advance

UPS about to go on strike? Request other shippers

A day ago I read that UPS workers are on the precipice of another strike over contract- and now I just got an email saying my shipment which was scheduled to be delivered yesterday, is rescheduled for Monday. Since it didn't arrive yesterday as scheduled, it really should've been scheduled for today- that would be fair...

I've always hated the socialist concept known as labor unions.
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Coloring brass and/or copper.

So I've done a search and can't find anything relevant so I figured I'd just ask. I want to make a couple dozen dummy rounds for centerfire rifle using spent brass and new bullets. However, I'd like to color the dummy rounds so that they are easily identifiable . I'm wondering what a good method would be to blacken/dye the case and or bullet so that they stand out. I know there are some smart folks here that have been there-done that.

SOLD SAKO TRG42 in Desert Tan with NF scope and Ammo

SAKO TRG 42 in 338 Lapua, Phosphate coated and Desert Tan. Has 3 ring SAKO mount and NightForce 5.5-22 MOAR with zero Stop. Rifle has Sako brake, Sako Bipod and 1 - 5 round Mag.

Hard case (similar to Pelican) . Rifle has less than 100 rounds down it and absolutely no scuffs or scratches anywhere. Previously had Vortex scope on rifle and have not done anything but bore sight with Nightforce scope.

Also 600 rounds of ammo:
3- 200 round cans of LAPUA brand 250gr scenar in sealed from factory LAPUA ammo cans


Asking $7500.00 for everything..
If reasonable drive might can set up meet and not ship.
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