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Hello I have a couple of bolt actions that are seeming to be clean but when I look with the bore cam I am seeing a smooth black coat. I actually am seeing this in 2 right now, both are Remingtons, one is a model 710 .270 and the other a .300 rum in model CDL. I have done a multi stage cleaning process using all bore tech cleaners, jags, patches, nylon brushes etc.. I thought maybe at first I had let something dry but they advertise all of the products able to sit and I haven’t been mixing or anything like that, just one at a time. Non of the multiple others have this black coating that will not budge like these 2. Wondering if it is a heat/season type deal or if something had been done previously that made this coating? Not sure it doesn’t seem to be carbon and can’t imagine it could be from any products or anything I did.

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Censorship in the name of inclusivity

So, no surprise here... to prevent kids from thinking the wrong things and getting dangerous ideas, instead of banning books or removing them from publication leftists simply change them to conform to their ideology. Let's just call a spade a spade, this is an insidious form of censorship.


Firearms 6.5 Creedmoor mpa w/carbon fiber lined barrel and optic

Too many hobbies means this thing needs to stop being a paperweight in the safe. Never fired or taken outside even.


6.5 creedmoor
proof research carbon fiber 22" barrel
zermatt origin short action
masterpiece arms bolt action chassis
Athlon Optics 4.5-29-56
trigger is some fancy trigger i forget though

$4500

Built it over a year ago and have never even put ammo in a magazine.

I also have 6.5 reloading stuff I’ll not need if you’re interested I’ll inventory it
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Chinese military balloon explained

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Inside China’s Military Balloon Program
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Chinese home-made airship AS700 takes off for a test flight at Jingmen Zhanghe Airport in Jingmen, Hubei Province of China, on Sept. 16, 2022. (Shen Ling/VCG via Getty Images)
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By Eva Fu

February 17, 2023Updated: February 17, 2023
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Years before a gigantic white spy balloon from China captured America’s attention, a top Chinese aerospace scientist was keenly tracking the path of an unmanned airship making its way across the globe.

On a real-time map, the white blimp appeared as a blinking red dot, although in real life its size was formidable, weighing several tons and measuring 328 feet (100 meters) in length—about 80 feet longer than a Boeing 747-8, one of the largest passenger aircraft in the world.

“Look, here’s America,” the vessel’s chief architect, Wu Zhe, told the state-run newspaper NanfangDaily. He excitedly pointed to a red line marking the airship’s journey at about 65,000 feet in the air, noting that in 2019, that flight was setting a world record.

Named “Cloud Chaser,” the airship had been flying for just shy of a month over three oceans and three continents, including what appears to be Florida. At the time of Wu’s interview in August, the airship was hovering above the Pacific Ocean, days away from completing its mission.

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An illustration of Cloud Chaser. (Nanfang Daily)
Wu, a veteran aerospace researcher, has played a key role in advancing the Chinese regime in what it describes as the “near space” race, referring to the layer of the atmosphere sitting between 12 and 62 miles above the earth. This region, which is too high for jets but too low for satellites, had been deemed ripe for exploitation in the regime’s bid to achieve military dominance.

Despite having existed for decades, the regime’s military balloon program came into the spotlight recently when the United States shot down a high-altitude surveillance balloon that drifted across the country for a week and hovered above multiple sensitive U.S. military sites. That balloon, the size of three buses, was smaller than Cloud Chaser.

The U.S. and Canadian militaries have since taken down three flying objects over North American airspace, although President Joe Biden on Feb. 16 said those are likely linked to private companies.

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The suspected Chinese spy balloon drifts to the ocean after being shot down off the coast in Surfside Beach, S.C., on Feb. 4, 2023. (Randall Hill/Reuters)
Wu is turning 66 this month. He has ties to at least four of the six Chinese entities Washington recently sanctioned for supporting Beijing’s sprawling military balloon program, which the U.S. administration said has reached over 40 countries on five continents.

As a specialist in aircraft design, Wu has helped develop the Chinese regime’s homegrown fighter jets and stealth technology during his more than three decades in the aerospace field, taking home at least one award for his contribution to the military.

He was the vice president at Beihang University in Beijing, a prestigious state-run aeronautics school, until he voluntarily gave up the title for teaching and research in 2004, and he once served on the scientific advisory committee for the People’s Liberation Army (PLA) General Armaments Department, a now-dissolved agency in charge of equipping the Chinese military.

Public records show that Wu is well-connected in the aerospace field, with stakes in many aviation firms. He is the chairman of Beijing-based Eagles Men Aviation Science, one of the six firms that, along with its branch in Shanxi, Washington has named as culprits in the balloon sanctions.

Both Beihang and the Harbin Institute of Technology, Wu’s alma mater and dubbed “China’s MIT,” are on a U.S. trade blacklist, the former for aiding China’s military rocket and unmanned air vehicle systems, and the latter for using U.S. technology to support Chinese missile programs.

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A map that shows the journey of the Chinese airship, Cloud Chaser, in August 2019. (Nanfang Daily)
‘Silent Killer’

The Chinese Communist Party (CCP) has long vied for dominance in near space, which Chinese scientists see as a region for a variety of applications, from high-altitude balloons to hypersonic missiles.

From high above, there’s a wealth of information that an aerostat, equipped with an electronic surveillance system, can intercept and turn into an intelligence asset.

“If you’re flying a balloon that is 100,000 feet up in the air, you’ve got … visibility on the ground of hundreds and hundreds of miles over several states, because it’s up so high,” said Art Thompson, co-founder of California aerospace company Sage Cheshire Aerospace. During his three decades in the aerospace industry, Thomspon has worked on the B-2 stealth bomber and was technical director for the Red Bull Stratos project that broke the record for the highest balloon flight and the largest manned balloon.

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Art Thompson, CEO of Sage Cheshire and president of A2ZFX, sits inside a model capsule he built for Red Bull Stratos in Lancaster, Calif., on Aug. 13, 2022. (Samira Bouaou/The Epoch Times)
“Whether it’s phone data, radio data, transmissions from aircraft, as to what the airplanes are, who owns it, all that data is available,” Thompson said.

As early as the 1970s, efforts were underway at the state-run Chinese Academy of Sciences to explore high-altitude balloons, according to a state media report. Lacking the aid of computers, Chinese researchers drew inspiration from German and Japanese aerospace books and cut up newspapers to piece together prototypes.

The result was a helium balloon with an aluminum basket, altogether about the size of a typical hot air balloon. The team triumphantly named it HAPI and flew it into the stratosphere in 1983 to observe signals from a neutron star.

For the Chinese military, there’s high strategic value in aerostats, a technology that was in use as early as the late 1700s by the French as lookouts. Compared to airplanes or satellites, balloons are cheaper and easier to maneuver, can carry heavier payloads and cover a wider area, and are harder to detect, two regular columnists wrote in a 2021 article for PLA Daily, the Chinese military’s official newspaper. They consume less energy, allowing them to loiter in a target area for an extended period. And critically, they are often not caught by radars, so they can easily evade an enemy’s air defense system or be classified as UFOs.

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A jet flies by a suspected Chinese spy balloon as it floats off the coast in Surfside Beach, South Carolina, on Feb. 4, 2023. (Randall Hill/Reuters)
Indeed, that appears to have occurred. Biden administration officials said they were able to retroactively detect three Chinese spy balloons that traveled over the United States during the Trump administration, and another after Biden took office.

Both Taiwan and Japan have since identified several suspected Chinese balloon incursions in recent years and are now threatening to shoot down any suspected objects in their airspace.

Chinese military researchers have also touted the utility of these balloons during combat. Newspaper articles and research papers have pored over balloons’ potential to screen for missiles, planes, and warships in lower space, serve as a medium for wartime communications, drop weapons to attack enemies, conduct electromagnetic interference, and deliver food or military supplies over a long distance.

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U.S. Navy sailors assigned to Assault Craft Unit 4 prepare material recovered in the Atlantic Ocean from a high-altitude Chinese balloon shot down by the U.S. Air Force off the coast of South Carolina after docking in Virginia Beach, Virginia for transport to federal agents at Joint Expeditionary Base Little Creek on Feb. 13, 2023. (Mass Communication Specialist 1st Class Ryan Seelbach/U.S. Navy/Handout via Reuters)
“In the future, balloon platforms may become like submarines in the deep sea: a silent killer that invokes terror,” the military columnists said.

Such statements are not hyperbolic, according to Thompson. Paradoxically, the slow pace of a balloon, when used well, is in fact its strength.

“It’s virtually invisible on radar,” said Thompson. While people may be concerned about an intercontinental missile flying over, which would take several minutes, a balloon could transport one discreetly without being detected.

“Now when you decide to release that missile, it doesn’t take several minutes—it takes only a matter of seconds,” he added. “We can’t respond fast enough … It would hit us before we’d know what happened.”

“It’s a scary scenario. It’s funny that one of the oldest technologies is potentially also very dangerous.”

A Thriving Industry

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A turtle is shown after returning from the stratosphere in October 2017. (China Internet Information Center)
Chinese scientists have made great strides in near-space technology since HAPI’s launch. In 2017, they sent a yellow-spotted river turtle 68,900 feet over the northwestern Xinjiang region, marking the first time an aerostat was able to bring a live animal into the stratosphere.

The following year, a high-altitude balloon dropped three hypersonic missiles in the Gobi Desert in Inner Mongolia. Last year, a balloon brought a rocket more than 82,000 feet above the earth, making China the first country experimenting with such techniques, according to state media reports.

While the Chinese regime claimed the spy balloon was a civilian airship used for meteorological purposes, meteorological officials in China have a history of collaboration with the military.

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China tested hypersonic glide vehicles dropped from a balloon in 2018, according to Chinese state broadcaster CCTV. (Screenshot via CCTV)
Meteorological officials under the PLA coordinated with local meteorological bureaus to host a three-city military drill in 2013, according to state media outlet Xinhua. Such cooperation appeared to have deepened in the following years, after CCP leader Xi Jinping ordered a major overhaul of the military. In 2017, the director of the China Meteorological Administration, the country’s national weather service, met with officials in the military and vowed to make a priority of “military-civil fusion,” a term for the regime’s aggressive national strategy to harness private sector innovations for military use.

The manufacturing of balloons has also flourished in the meantime.

Zhuzhou Rubber Research & Design Institute in China’s south-central Hunan Province, a subsidiary of state agrochemical giant ChemChina—which is on a U.S. blacklist over its ties to the military—is a dedicated supplier for the national weather bureau, producing three-quarters of the balloons it uses in nationwide weather stations, according to state media reports.

The company, sometimes described as a “made-in-China hidden champion,” was millions in debt in the early 2000s until it entered the balloon manufacturing game. It went on to become a leader in the industry, playing a chief role in formulating China’s national standard for weather balloons, and has around 30 patents under its name, a local government website shows.

In September 2017, Zhuzhou Rubber invested 30 million yuan ($4.38 million) in a key provincial-level lab for near-space sounding balloon research that it said aims to provide “security for national defenses on the near space front.”

It won a proclamation from the PLA’s General Armaments Department for designing a balloon for the return of Chang’e 5, the spacecraft used for China’s fifth lunar exploration mission, which was undertaken in 2020.

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A Long March-5 rocket carrying Chang’e-5 spacecraft blasts off from Wenchang Spacecraft Launch Site in Wenchang, Hainan Province of China, on Nov. 24, 2020. (VCG/VCG via Getty Images)
In March 2022, the China Ordnance Industry Experiment and Testing Institute—whose parent company, state-owned Norinco, is a major weapons producer for the Chinese military—inquired into prices for obtaining hundreds of sounding balloons from the firm, according to a tender bid on a Hunan provincial government site. It is unclear whether the institute made a bid after the tender.

The company’s website has become inaccessible since the recent spy balloon incident.

For the Chinese, these balloons are inexpensive tools for testing components for military equipment, Thompson said.

“They may be looking at as a particular piece of electronics that they want to put in a missile: is it going to hold up to the temperatures and altitude, or is it going to transmit,” he said. “So they might take that component that later is going to go on a piece of weaponry, and fly it to the altitude under a balloon to see how it handles it.”

‘China Speed’

Zhuzhou Rubber is but one player in the field. Dongguan Lingkong Remote Sensing Technology has claimed dozens of patents related to stratosphere aircraft, including a maneuverable stratospheric balloon and lightweight high-strength aerostat material. Wu is the statutory auditor of Dongguan Lingkong and the director of Beihang University’s Dongguan city research institute, which owns the company.

China Electronics Technology Group Corp. (CETC), a massive state-owned enterprise whose 48th research institute was hit with U.S. sanctions in the aftermath of the balloon incident, once credited itself for helping China bridge the technological gap in aerostats.

In 2010, the company showcased a large white blimp. Through its high-definition surveillance gear that scans the ground nonstop, it could spot details of objects as small as a book over an area of more than a hundred square miles, according to a Chinese state media report republished on the State Administration of Science website.

Their latest, the JY-400 balloon that CETC’s 38th research institute unveiled in 2021, can meet both civilian and military needs, with the capacity to carry payloads for detecting missiles and eavesdropping on and interfering with communications, Chinese media reports said. The reports cited Russian media expressing surprise at seeing their country outcompeted by China at a breathtaking pace, dubbing it “China speed.”

Thompson was struck by the JY-400 balloon’s visual resemblance to a U.S. military design, called the “Joint Land Attack Cruise Missile Defense Elevated Netted Sensor System.”

That system was an Army program designed in 1998 by Raytheon that provides 360-degree surveillance to track low-flying cruise missiles, unmanned aircraft, and other threats. The dirigible had a synthetic aperture radar attached to its bottom. The U.S. Army began investing in it in the 2010s but ultimately discontinued funding in 2017, two years after one of the program’s two blimps broke loose and caused massive power outages in Pennsylvania.

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A China Electronics Technology Group Corp. (CETC) aerial blimp hangs in display at the China International Aviation & Aerospace Exhibition in Zhuhai, China, on Oct. 31, 2016. (QilaiShen/Bloomberg via Getty Images)
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Joint Land Attack Cruise Missile Defense Elevated Netted Sensor System (JLENS) personnel oversee the inflation of an aerostat at Aberdeen Proving Ground, Md., on Dec. 15, 2014. (U.S. Army Photo by Sgt. Ronald Sellinger /Released)
Putting the two side by side, “you’d think they’re made by the same company,” Thompson said, noting that the only difference is one has the Chinese writing on it.

Thompson said it’s possible that the Chinese copied the designs of U.S. airships and adjusted certain parts, like the materials and size, to suit its needs.

Raytheon and CETC didn’t immediately respond to queries from The Epoch Times.

Wu’s Cloud Chaser airship was launched near Hainan, the island province that lies in the southern tip of China that U.S. officials have identified as a base for the Chinese surveillance balloon operations.

Considering China’s vast espionage program, those sanctioned by the United States represent only the “tip of the iceberg,” said Su Tze-yun, director of the Institute for National Defense and Security Research in Taiwan.

But challenges abound for Western nations seeking to blunt the covert operation. The regime, as Sunoted, could easily use front companies as a cover to steal or import Western technologies while attracting little notice. Under the civil-military fusion strategy, every private company could be indirectly supporting the regime’s military development, making it harder to draw the line and impose punishment. But that at least heightens the need to block Chinese entities from acquiring U.S. firms, he said.

While Western countries are also developing balloon technology, what differentiates the actions is China’s authoritarianism, according to Su.

“Democratic countries are bound by law from infringing other nations’ airspace,” he told The Epoch Times. “This is why the same technology, once it’s in the hands of the Chinese Communist Party, would become a threat.”

Luo Ya and Dorothy Li contributed to this report.
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Action choices with rem or savage prefits

Going to start building my second custom bolt gun. After some consideration I think i'm going 308 win. It will be used for hunting and plinking.

I just want a no frills straight forward action that would except remage or savage barrel nut systems, excepts detachable box mags and is reliable. I want that barrel nut system because I could very well change my mind and I like how easy they are to switch calibers if I so choose

$1,100 would probably be my max.
I feel like I've looked at everything but want to be sure I'm not missing any.

Mack bros: says they are about 6 weeks out from another run of evos.
Origin
And defiance which is now out of my price range.
Arc nucleus

Some actions I couldn't find any info for, such as a mesa precision, gunwerks gbr or Curtis scout.

anyone have any suggestions on a budget action that will meet that criteria?



thanks fellas!

Accessories SOLD- WTT/WTS: - 6mm Bartlein Carbon Fiber Barrel

6mm CF Bartlein Barrel- will trade for a 6.5 CF Barrel 24" - Preferably a Bartlein

These are fairly tough to come by and take a long time to get.

$700 OBO - Shipped CONUS

Here's the order sheet but that was then not now. Any questions let me know. Thanks

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SOLD WTS: KRG Bravo R700 SA $275 shipped

I've got a KRG Bravo, black, R700 SA inlet for sale. It has the recoil lug channel opened up slightly to accommodate a larger one. Runs either just fine. Also has a rubber cheek pad.

Also includes box. Asking $275 shipped. PayPal or Venmo please.

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SOLD Manners EH1

Have a manners carbon LRH for sale. Rem 700 footprint. Cut for a badger m5. In great shape. Looking to get $600 for it.

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Comb height curiosity, or is my face geometry just wonky?

I have some form of cheek riser on the majority of my traditional-stock long guns, have never thought much about it, but in setting up my newest rig I got to ponderin'.

Given that there is always going to be at least an inch of additional height above the centerline of the barrel when peeking through an optic, why is the comb always so low?

Is it that most manufacturers want to keep a certain look to their stocks, fit be damned?

Is everyone else's face built so line of sight is much closer to correct than mine is?

Is everyone just lifting their head to fit the scope and being content with unstable head placement?

Is a donut with no hole just a danish?

SOLD WTS: Bighorn Origin Action / Proof Barrel / Bullets/ Brass

So I'm parting out this build. Here's what's available:
-Bighorn Origin SA action (RH standard 308 bolt face) $825 shipped
- Proof stainless 6.5 Creedmoor barrel 26" competition contour (250 rounds through it) and INCLUDES brake (pva I think?) $450 shipped)
-Area 419 ARCA rail $60 shipped
-140 ELD 6.5 bullets 400 total all same lot and 170 rounds of once fired Lapua brass $300 shipped




I can also separate the barrel from the action or torque and headspace it for you.

Or sold for everything shipped. PayPal or Venmo please. The action has to ship to an FFL from an individual.

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SOLD Manners LRH R700 LA w/ mini chassis & Hawkins Bottom metal

I have a manners LRH that is in like new condition. Only used it on 2 range trips totaling 40 rounds or so. Trying to fund a prs dasher build. Has additional area 419 qd socket/bipod pic rail combo. And Hawkins m5 CIP bottom metal.

$1450 with bottom metal PP F&F or venmo. I will cover insured shipping via UPS

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Defensive shooting (Veteran steps in to help)

What say the Hide on this one...


This has a separate thread on this on another forum, but I'd like to see what member of The Hide thought. There's a lot of contention because the defender inserted himself into a 3 on 1 attack.

I know it seems like a pretty good self preservation tactic to keep out of a mess that's not of your making, but generally speaking, vets (the defender is a veteran) are a bit of a different crowd. Overall, I have observed that us veterans don't normally lose our sense of duty once we're out. We still have that "protector" gene built into us. That's why so many in law enforcement are veterans. Can't say if he saw the start of this whole fiasco, but once it did start... probably just the fact that it was 3 on 1 was enough to help him make his decision to step in, and help out. Weather he helped the right person or not... who knows. Hell, this could be a case of everybody being a bad guy.

All I can say is had I been there at the time, and saw 3 taking on 1, with little or no time to decide... it would be very hard to just stand by and watch it go down.
I'd feel like a POS going home to tell my story of how I saw 1 somebody, get killed by 3 somebody elses, and I did absolutely nothing to try, and stop it.
Probably not a good idea in todays liberal and very litigious society, but there you are.


One of the best quotes of all time.
All that is necessary for the triumph of evil, is that good men do nothing.

Whatever started the argument / fight, taking life to end it... is wrong.
Taking life to save life... less wrong.


Keep in mind... No judgement is gonna be 100%... but standing by doesn't solve anything.
You act on what info you have.

You see 3 guys trying to kill one guy. (NOT a good thing)
Makes sense to help out the target of the gang of 3.
That's a defense you can use in a court of law under what they like to say a "reasonable" person would do.

Thoughts?
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Like young booty? Gotta few bucks? Japan may be for you.

A couple Euro countries had it 13 or so until recently. Pussy is still green at 13, needs to ripen a few more years.

Japan weighs finally lifting age of consent from 13 to 16​

https://www.dailymail.co.uk › news › article-11762489



12 hours ago — Japan will raise age of consent from 13 - among the world's lowest - to 16 and criminalise voyeurism under plans to overhaul sex crime laws.

Accessories Get COCKBLOCKED!

Trying to scrape up some funds for a bigger 3D printer, so I’d like to see if anyone here is interested in some cock…blocks. These are 3D printed PLA plastic, designed to slide right into your magwell. I know how you snipers like to ram those bolts home, so I’ve made these quite erect with a two inch screw to ensure this thing can’t break off and get lodged in your action hole. You have your choice of two holes on the aics version in case you wanna put a strap on. “COCKBLOCK” relief 3D printed on one side. AR15 and SA AICS, mix and match.

Red, White, Yellow, Orange. 1/$25, 2/$45, 4/$80. USPS shipping included. I can do a custom color if you want 4 of the same color. Zelle or USPS MO.
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May not work with your arca mag blocker