Where is this 100 yard shootout thread??.... (for the love of god!)
I'm getting a DPMS Hunter this week and will be posting MANY groups with different loads (because I have a range in my backyard)
I will post them on this thread instead of the shootout thread because that is what this thread if for I thought.... a review of THIS rifle and not a contest.
Just got my G2 Bull, weighed in at 10 lbs even, just as advertised. Now sits at 14lbs. Charging the weapon takes some effort and an oversized latch is definitely needed. Trigger isn't bad for a factory offering, but I definitely would like something lighter. The supplied magazine was sloppily put together, with floorplate only slid on half way. The rest of the rifle is much better built, and much nicer than what I have seen of past DPMS. Mine has hardly noticeable upper and lower wiggle. Size wise it feels like it splits the difference between and AR15 and AR10. Its about 2 pounds lighter than my previous 20" barreled AR10NM with the same configuration.
Heading out to the range in the next few days weather permitting, I'll post shooting impressions afterwards.
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So half pound heavier than a scar 17.
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The Recon has a very beefy barrel, whereas the SCAR 17 has a pencil barrel. If you put a SCAR 17 profile barrel in a GII, you're looking at an extremely lightweight gun. My first impression is that it's a SCAR 17 killer, potentially even for military applications, since this is what we've been looking for. The GII AP4 weighs in at 7.25lbs, for example.
I think we're really pushing the lightweight threshold of what a self-loading .308 should be, as anything under 7lbs is going to be a beast on the shoulder. I've taken a lightweight .308 rifle, suppressed even, through 3-day Sniper Instructor Course, and I had a headache by lunchtime on Day 1....not fun at all.
Not sure if you have seen this.
Did it lock back after the last round?
I ordered my G2 Recon yesterday. Was told about 17 day eta. I am planning on running it as a carbine platform for now with a Aimpoint Micro. Then eventually putting on a 2.5-10. I sold my DMR 556 build that I had spent a year building to get this gun. Both are 16" platforms and I couldn't pass on the benefits of the 308 ballistics over the 556. It is nice to see DPMS taking the lead on improving the AR10 platform.
The agony of carbine vs. DMR set up. All scopes are quite heavy compared to an Aimpoint Micro...but does the ability to actually see your target beyond 100 yards outweigh the weight penalty? I have been debating this a lot myself.
I'm also debating LMT versus a G2 versus a SCAR 17...only thing holding me back on the DPMS is that it's a DPMS and I'm more looking for a "top of the line" gun to be done with it.
I own a DPMS G2 Recon and POF P308 and a Armalite AR10 SASS. I also had the chance to play with a FN SCAR H 17s this past weekend. So out of all these brands the POF is a Better Quality Gun closest to worth the coin in terms of Build Quality. The SCAR 17 comes in Very Close Second place. The only thing I don't really like about the SCAR is the plastic stock which feels a bit cheap and is design although very sexy and pleasing to the eyes is kind of bulky in my hands. I also prefer longer hand rails which SCAR does not come with (But can be upgraded at a additional hefty price).
Out of all four guns the Armalite is by far the Heaviest at 15lbs but mine is a Shooter so I won't complain. In terms of Bare Rifles the SCAR is 8 lbs vers 8.5 lbs for the Gen2 Recon. But the Recon does have a Much Heavier Profile Stainless Steel Barrel which in my opoinion is better for the money than the SCAR. As far as accuracy goes between the SCAR and Gen2 Recon I believe the Gen2 had the edge for me. My POF is on Par with the Armalite which is pretty dam good for a Piston AR.
The POF P308 is also about the same weight as the Gen2 Recon which really surprised me.
So where I am going with this? Well I believe that SCAR is and always will be a Timeless Design and Tried and True Battle Rifle in the modern battlefield. If you need a Battle Rifle that you can bet your life on and survive any SHTF situations and being able to carry it for a long period of time then the SCAR is definitely the right pick for just about anything you'll need it for. However for every day shooters who only use these rifles at the range maybe couple of times a month sitting on a bench shooting paper I believe the SCAR is a Over Kill and Over Priced Choice. Everything related to the SCAR are expensive and different (I.E. the 17s magazines).
At just about 1/2 the price of a SCAR the Gen 2 Recon is a Much Better Choice and Purchase to offer 90% of what the SCAR is capable of maybe even more. Now if one buying the SCAR for all the Coolness Reasons then I have nothing to say or against it. But on paper and financially speaking the Gen 2 just makes a lot more sense.
I have now going on 500 rounds through my Gen 2 Recon without a single Failure of any Sort and without any Cleaning. My POF is the same way but again, cost 2x as much and the Gen 2.
In terms of Weight, the KAC ECC is 9 lbs I believe so it'll be even heavier than the Gen 2 or my POF for that matter. I still have my Armalite because it was my first AR10 and I just like it old school. But If I had to pick only one of my .308 for all around purpose it'll definitely be the GEN2 Recon.
The only thing that bothers me with these rifles is the fact that the barrel extension is different than everything else. So until I get my hands on a couple extensions, it kinda ruins my 358 16" Sasquatch thumper, and all the other cool things you can chamber an AR10 in. I think the normal LR308/AR10/ETC... DPMS based platform is here to stay, I don't think other manufactures are going to produce barrels and etc for the new G2 stuff.
Thanks for the info!
Now I'm just waiting for cobra to give birth over this thread.
I noticed bullet movement when the round was loaded from the magazine of my G-2 Hunter. The BCG being lighter is also faster and creates enough inertia to move the bullet and change the COAL. I loaded some 150 gr bullets with .010" bullet tension and they still moved. Heavier bullets move even more. Black Hills Gold 168 Amax factory ammunition bullets moved about .002 each time the round was chambered.
The only way I have found to keep them seated is to use a bullet with a cannelure and a light crimp.
How are these G2 rifles with various PMAGs like the gen 3 ones? I am looking seriously at the 20" hunter model but don't want to buy it if the thing doesn't like 10rd pmags (my best option for mags here in CA).
So you mean 2.820 to 2.822? That is within tolerances IMHO, not going to change anything.
Now if it is 2.805 to 2.82" upon chambering that would be much different.
Did you follow the DPMS recommended barrel break in procedure?
I took my GII SASS to a 5 day course this week at Badlands Tactical. It did great, no malfunctions. One thing I did notice is some of my new pmags would not hold the bolt back a few times but by the end of the class all of them were locking the bolt back. My gun does not like the metal dpms mag that it came with and for some reason it will stove pipe on the third round every other time with that one magazine (pmags run flawlessly). Other than that, never had a issue with the rifle. Total round count is 764 so far.
All finished in its final form, another range trip this weekend to rezero, and get the BUIS sighted in.
I'll have to try some basic trigger enhancements, but It's hard to not go with a Geiselle after using them in the past.