[Serious] How would you prove via firearms / ballistics the Earth isn't flat?

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I'm not trolling, genuinely curious what LR and ELR people would say to someone claiming the earth is flat with said person also into firearms (say they've only shot under 100 yards) by using your knowledge of firearms as a more scientific means to prove the Earth isn't flat.

So far I've been able to mainly focus on the earth's rotation effecting bullet travel especially at different attitudes, how sights work in relation to the barrel (since gravity apparently doesn't exist in their eyes) due to the effects of gravity and cartridge math, how lights and lasers including NV clearly show a straight path doesn't mean the earth is flat.
 

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    I'm not trolling, genuinely curious what LR and ELR people would say to someone claiming the earth is flat with said person also into firearms (say they've only shot under 100 yards) by using your knowledge of firearms as a more scientific means to prove the Earth isn't flat.

    So far I've been able to mainly focus on the earth's rotation effecting bullet travel especially at different attitudes, how sights work in relation to the barrel (since gravity apparently doesn't exist in their eyes) due to the effects of gravity and cartridge math, how lights and lasers including NV clearly show a straight path doesn't mean the earth is flat.

    I'd take him on a ship straight to the horizon and watch him freeze in fear waiting for us to fall off the edge.
     

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    It seems strange to me that there are really people out there that STILL believe the Earth is flat, considering everything else out there is a fucking sphere.

    I wouldn't waste my time trying to convince someone that is that fucking stupid.
     

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    I'm not trolling, genuinely curious what LR and ELR people would say to someone claiming the earth is flat with said person also into firearms (say they've only shot under 100 yards) by using your knowledge of firearms as a more scientific means to prove the Earth isn't flat.

    So far I've been able to mainly focus on the earth's rotation effecting bullet travel especially at different attitudes, how sights work in relation to the barrel (since gravity apparently doesn't exist in their eyes) due to the effects of gravity and cartridge math, how lights and lasers including NV clearly show a straight path doesn't mean the earth is flat.
     

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    It seems strange to me that there are really people out there that STILL believe the Earth is flat, considering everything else out there is a fucking sphere.

    I wouldn't waste my time trying to convince someone that is that fucking stupid.
    If the moon is a sphere why haven't I ever seen the other side of it? I bet it more like a thin crust pizza. But with no cheese dripping off the edge. Well, maybe a little cheese dripping off the edges, but not much.
     

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    I’m not a flat earther but I do want to see a video from the upper earth atmosphere or space that isn’t filmed with a fish eye lens. Any video I’ve ever seen that shows the curvature of the earth also shows it inverted at some point. Why?

    You can see what I am takking about at the 50 second mark.

     
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    I'm not trolling, genuinely curious what LR and ELR people would say to someone claiming the earth is flat with said person also into firearms (say they've only shot under 100 yards) by using your knowledge of firearms as a more scientific means to prove the Earth isn't flat.

    Just ignore them.

    The whole "flat earth" thing is essentially contrarians who just like to be contrary to get attention, feel special and enjoy arguing and getting people upset.
    They know the whole thing is B.S. but they just do it to piss other people off.

    Just refuse to play their game and just say "bless your heart dear," and move on & don't give them any more talk or discussion.
     

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    The earth was proven round on 19 APR 1775.

    What's interesting about that type of statement (yes this specific one alludes to a non scientific event), but going back to actually quoted proper "discovery dates" in European eccentric history, is how stupid and backwards the Europeans became thanks to their own stupidity and the horrific evil that was the Catholic Church.

    The Europeans and their stupid ideas of religion took a giant leap backwards into ignorance and religious superstitions and it took them a thousand years to just get back to where science was prior to the horror that was the rule of the Catholic Church.

    Back in 240 BC the Greeks had proven the earth was a sphere and actually knew how big the earth was to within 2% to 3% of the accepted measurement today.

    The Arabs of course enjoyed pointing out what ignorant fools the Europeans were, right up until they went religion crazy and took a giant leap backwards themselves that they haven't yet managed to shake.

    Just like the stupid European Catholics with their "god given dogma" that the sun and everything revolved around the Earth.

    Pretty much everybody else (including their own ancestors) understood solar and celestial mechanics to a very high degree of knowledge, enough to make very accurate long term celestial calendars and align buildings to point at different stars at just the right times.

    As much as we could shake our heads at those dogmatic religious fools and the monstrously vile religious leaders that they followed, just look around you today and it's happening all over, religion and dogma is once again becoming the "truth" instead of facts and science. Except this time it's the woke cult and the haters of all that is decent that are making the new insane dogmas that totally ignore any scientific facts.
    Just like the religious zealots before them, they are starting to viciously attack and oppress anyone that tries to actually point out scientific facts.
    I don't doubt they will start trying to kill people before long for saying facts and science are real and their religious dogmas are not.
     
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    I cannot believe someone as stupid as you can go through life each day.

    I'm at a fucking loss for words with you.

    Maybe go tell Buzz Aldrin his moon landing was fake too, so he can kick your ass.
    Buzz Aldrins side kick said it was staged. Funny how we can’t get back there. I don’t know either way and don’t care either.

    As far as the fisheye cameras being used for high altitude filming, it’s a thing. I showed an example of what I’m talking about. I’m not claiming the earth is flat faggot.
     
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    I'm not trolling, genuinely curious what LR and ELR people would say to someone claiming the earth is flat with said person also into firearms (say they've only shot under 100 yards) by using your knowledge of firearms as a more scientific means to prove the Earth isn't flat.

    So far I've been able to mainly focus on the earth's rotation effecting bullet travel especially at different attitudes, how sights work in relation to the barrel (since gravity apparently doesn't exist in their eyes) due to the effects of gravity and cartridge math, how lights and lasers including NV clearly show a straight path doesn't mean the earth is flat.
    Have them draw a straight line from NY to LA and then explain why I have to fly over Chicago to get there if I’m flying in a straight line.

    Flat earthers are the dumbest fucking people in the universe.
     

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    Funny how we can’t get back there.

    For similar reasons we can't build giant dams and massive cities and huge bridges.
    Similar to how 30 years ago you could go buy a ticket for a supersonic flight across the world as an average rich passenger and now... be happy putting along slower than they used to go even on normal aircraft back in the 80s.
    Similar to why is most of our electricity from burning coal and gas and... wait for it... windmills instead of highly advanced nuclear reactors.

    There are so many things that we can't do because of the mass of evil, stupid, lazy and greedy that holds back those who actually would like to push the frontiers of things on many fronts.
     

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    This is what I’m talking about. Screenshot from another video of weather balloons. For the slow people, I’m not arguing a flat earth. I’m curious to why fish eye cameras are what is used when filming high altitude shots. Almost every video where a curve is shown, an inverted curve can be seen at some point. Why not film with a regular camera?

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    Have them draw a straight line from NY to LA and then explain why I have to fly over Chicago to get there if I’m flying in a straight line.

    Flat earthers are the dumbest fucking people in the universe.

    I pity all the children these days who grew up looking at the stupid flat projection maps of earth that give them a totally wrong idea of things .

    (And of course for some reason the Americans always want to put America in the center and split the rest of the world in half rather than at least being decent and having America to one side and the rest of the world as a block to the other side).

    Children who grew up with actual large globes and were taught geography on a globe not a flat map easily understand so many things that modern stupids don't seem to have a clue about when it comes to geography.
     
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    I pity all the children these days who grew up looking at the stupid flat projection maps of earth that give them a totally wrong idea of things .

    (And of course for some reason the Americans always want to put America in the center and split the rest of the world in half rather than at least being decent and having America to one side and the rest of the world as a block to the other side).

    Children who grew up with actual large globes and were taught geography on a globe not a flat map easily understand so many things that modern stupids don't seem to have a clue about when it comes to geography.
    Mercateur projection maps have their place but you have to understand their limitations as well. Green land isn’t as big as they make it out to be.
     

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    You could not navigate with a sextant and sight reductions if the earth was flat. Your lines of position don't rely on geometry, but specifically spherical geometry. When you preform a sight reduction to a celestial body (sun, stars, moon, or planets) you are generating a great circle on a chart wich is just a flat projection from a globe. We draw straight lines on a chart because the circles are so large that the segment on a chart appears straight, but it is in fact curved, because it is actually a projection onto a sphere.

    Observing the spherical nature of a planet qualitatively with your eye is not even necessary. You can prove it quite easily using math and quantitive sight reductions.

    You can argue that visual pictures, video, perspectives, etc. could be faked. You can not fake an equation or deny it's proof positive.
     
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    I’m curious to why fish eye cameras are what is used when filming high altitude shots.

    Because if you want a very wide angle lens, that is light enough and compact enough to be used in those situations, lens optics dictate you are going to have a bit of a fish eye effect.

    You could carry a normal lens and just get a narrow field of view, but most folks want to film the expanse and vastness of the scene to more adequately represent what you would experience if you were looking around in person with a pair of human eyes.

    You can get away from that with large special lenses and / or software correction of the images.

    Let's say you were laying on your back in the desert and wanted to get a shot that could show what everything that you were seeing, horizon to horizon, your choice pretty much is only a fish eye type lens.
     

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    I pity all the children these days who grew up looking at the stupid flat projection maps of earth that give them a totally wrong idea of things .

    (And of course for some reason the Americans always want to put America in the center and split the rest of the world in half rather than at least being decent and having America to one side and the rest of the world as a block to the other side).

    Children who grew up with actual large globes and were taught geography on a globe not a flat map easily understand so many things that modern stupids don't seem to have a clue about when it comes to geography.
    Actually North America is the center of the surface of this planet in every way that matters.
     

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    These are great lol, appreciate y'all putting in your 2 cents. I think I'll just opt for the options of just avoiding the debate outright because from quickly scanning through some texts and videos they've sent me, they'd probably say that the winds and weight of the projectile is why my poi shift at 1000 yards changes when I face east and west.

    Not gonna lie, I can reasonably suspend my state of disbelief, and try not to judge, but hearing someone say, "no one has ever proven or seen it," when I and dudes who've landed shots at even further ranges have too in critical environments / ops (you know, because we actually want to hit what we're aiming at), I draw a line.
     

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    Because if you want a very wide angle lens, that is light enough and compact enough to be used in those situations, lens optics dictate you are going to have a bit of a fish eye effect.

    You could carry a normal lens and just get a narrow field of view, but most folks want to film the expanse and vastness of the scene to more adequately represent what you would experience if you were looking around in person with a pair of human eyes.

    You can get away from that with large special lenses and / or software correction of the images.

    Let's say you were laying on your back in the desert and wanted to get a shot that could show what everything that you were seeing, horizon to horizon, your choice pretty much is only a fish eye type lens.
    Makes sense. You would think someone would do it different. I would jump on the chance to fly high.

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    Except this time it's the woke cult and the haters of all that is decent that are making the new insane dogmas that totally ignore any scientific facts.
    Just like the religious zealots before them, they are starting to viciously attack and oppress anyone that tries to actually point out scientific facts.
    I don't doubt they will start trying to kill people before long for saying facts and science are real and their religious dogmas are not.

    I'm waiting...............
     

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    What's interesting about that type of statement (yes this specific one alludes to a non scientific event), but going back to actually quoted proper "discovery dates" in European eccentric history, is how stupid and backwards the Europeans became thanks to their own stupidity and the horrific evil that was the Catholic Church.

    The Europeans and their stupid ideas of religion took a giant leap backwards into ignorance and religious superstitions and it took them a thousand years to just get back to where science was prior to the horror that was the rule of the Catholic Church.

    Back in 240 BC the Greeks had proven the earth was a sphere and actually knew how big the earth was to within 2% to 3% of the accepted measurement today.

    The Arabs of course enjoyed pointing out what ignorant fools the Europeans were, right up until they went religion crazy and took a giant leap backwards themselves that they haven't yet managed to shake.

    Just like the stupid European Catholics with their "god given dogma" that the sun and everything revolved around the Earth.

    Pretty much everybody else (including their own ancestors) understood solar and celestial mechanics to a very high degree of knowledge, enough to make very accurate long term celestial calendars and align buildings to point at different stars at just the right times.

    As much as we could shake our heads at those dogmatic religious fools and the monstrously vile religious leaders that they followed, just look around you today and it's happening all over, religion and dogma is once again becoming the "truth" instead of facts and science. Except this time it's the woke cult and the haters of all that is decent that are making the new insane dogmas that totally ignore any scientific facts.
    Just like the religious zealots before them, they are starting to viciously attack and oppress anyone that tries to actually point out scientific facts.
    I don't doubt they will start trying to kill people before long for saying facts and science are real and their religious dogmas are not.
    Go home Neil dT...you're drunk

    Flat earth is a modern invention, and was certainly not popular at any point in history. Its a myth made up by today.

    Fun Fact Columbus was refused money by Portugal because they said "YOU SUCK AT MATH--THE WORLD IS 25,000 Miles around YOU MORON"

    It was the Ptolemic model of the Universe that everyone (Greeks, Romans, ARabs, Indians, etc...) followed with the Earth as the center (with its notorious epicycle to explain planetary "backwards" motion). The Church (we really didnt have anything besides Catholic until 1500 or so) followed the Greeks and Romans (previous attempts at heliocentrism having been lost). And point of fact if the earth moved you should be able to measure the parallax of the stars....but they couldn't because they had no clue how far away the stars are (even today, we can BARELY measure parallax of nearby stars with our modern equipment).

    Now the Arab world did suspect by about 1000AD that the Ptolemy model (geocentric) was inaccurate, but their ideas spread to Europe and of course paralleled Copernicus argument against the Ptolemy model. (Fun fact, you can make good predictions with a model that isn't correct! All models are wrong--some are useful!)

    So the data fit their model. Then we got better data. And then we got a better model.
    Save your religious bashing bullshit science history for somewhere else.

    Lemme guess its the Baptists fault we thought the sun was the center of the universe for a while.

    ANd those pesky Presbyterians and their "Nebulas" instead of galaxies amirite?

    Its just a few bad apples....oh wait, that's cop bashing, wrong topic.
     

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    Almost every video where a curve is shown, an inverted curve can be seen at some point.

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    Because the camera gets inverted at some point when an aerodynamically unstable object (like a human body) tumbles as it falls through increasing air density

    Did you not notice that Felix Baumgartner was upside down in the screen shot you took as "proof"?

    :rolleyes:
     

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    Because the camera gets inverted at some point

    Did you not notice that Felix Baumgartner was upside down in the screen shot you took as "proof"?

    :rolleyes:
    No shit. Fisheye lens just as I said. My question was why? What proof are you talking about? Proof of what?
     

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    For similar reasons we can't build giant dams and massive cities and huge bridges.
    Similar to how 30 years ago you could go buy a ticket for a supersonic flight across the world as an average rich passenger and now... be happy putting along slower than they used to go even on normal aircraft back in the 80s.
    Similar to why is most of our electricity from burning coal and gas and... wait for it... windmills instead of highly advanced nuclear reactors.

    There are so many things that we can't do because of the mass of evil, stupid, lazy and greedy that holds back those who actually would like to push the frontiers of things on many fronts.

    Right. Uneconomical projects that make no money don't ever figure into this.

    You and wade should rule the world and show us idiots how it's done
     

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    Not firearms but you can see ballistic proof from the ground every time a traditional rocket is launched. Even as their altitude is increasing at a substantial rate, they vanish over the horizon just a few minutes into launch as their distance down-range increases far faster than any gain in altitude..

    My trolling response would be to unload the firearm, and use it to beat some common sense into them.
     

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    Not firearms but you can see ballistic proof from the ground every time a traditional rocket is launched. Even as their altitude is increasing at a substantial rate, they vanish over the horizon just a few minutes into launch as their distance down-range increases far faster than any gain in altitude..

    My trolling response would be to unload the firearm, and use it to beat some common sense into them.
    Best answer so far.
     
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    Right. Uneconomical projects that make no money don't ever figure into this.

    You and wade should rule the world and show us idiots how it's done
    When has money meant anything to gov’t ever? Space seems like a perfect venue to steal billions. In fact they’ve been doing it.

    Are you claiming that Neil Armstrong said their mission was fake?

    Your stupidity knows no bounds
    You signed away your personal sovereignty to gov’t thinking you were doing something honorable and you call me stupid. LOL.

    Their are out of context videos were Buzz says this. Not Neil. I was just saying. There is another where he tells a little girl the same. Doesn’t mean anything.

    Edit to add:
    Buzz did say that nobody seen the real landing. What was shown on TV was staged and fake. Said there was nobody there to film the real thing. That was on Connan O’brien.
     
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    When has money meant anything to gov’t ever? Space seems like a perfect venue to steal billions. In fact they’ve been doing it.


    You signed away your personal sovereignty to gov’t thinking you were doing something honorable and you call me stupid. LOL.

    Their are out of context videos were Buzz says this. Not Neil. I was just saying. There is another where he tells a little girl the same. Doesn’t mean anything.

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    Buzz did say that nobody seen the real landing. What was shown on TV was staged and fake. Said there was nobody there to film the real thing. That was on Connan O’brien.
    You've been demoted to a single star general. Take off a star.