Well... "history is written by the victors" and all that...By your description, you don’t have a relative that fought for the wrong side.
Well... "history is written by the victors" and all that...By your description, you don’t have a relative that fought for the wrong side.
Ok....but then again I'm pretty sure ide leave if I was tasked with murdering civilians and stuffing Jews into an oven
Read the book “Ordinary Men”.And go where, moron?
It's not like you could hop on an Air France flight to Marseilles.
No, you would shoot the civvies and Jews because you would have to choose between that and getting shot yourself for desertion.
The scary part is most didn'tRead the book “Ordinary Men”.
It’s about an “Order Police Battalion” sent to Poland, they racked up one of their higher tally counts for killing Jews.
Thing is before their first killing action the commander stood in front of the formation and said anyone that didn’t want to kill didn’t have to.
A few stepped out of formation and never suffered any repercussions.
They were used as perimeter or some other sort of function but never ordered to kill.
Apparently saying no was an option.
The Japs brought cruelty to a completely different level from everything I've read.. against the Chinese and American POWs alike...yea,read it 2 or 3 times and there was NO sanction of or discrimination against anyone who refused to participate or left off after any amount of time because they couldn't take it anymore. yes very few opted out and a lot of the shooters were non germans-poles,balts,russians,ukes. stalin even said to the affect that when he beat hitler he would continue his good works vis-a-vis the jews. like i said,things were very different in europe then. don't even start on japanese behavior in china.
well, the Fins are the retarded cousins of the Nordic world.Also everyone's sniper hero: Simo Hayha? Guess who's side he was on during WW2. (Finns even had swastikas!) Of course Finland is our buds now so its cool.
I guess history is a little more complex than you might imagine. Now get out your jump to conclusions mat for your next post.
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yes, Uralic. The Fins are only blonde because the Swedes fucked them for hundreds of years.Actually..... Random side note
Finnish is not a Nordic Language. Its more closely related to Hungarian.
The point wasn't to drag the Finns into this, just to point out that Nazi/Anti-Nazi is a really dumb dichotemy. When the world hangs you out to dry and the Russians come looking for you, you take all the help you can get, even from the "bad guys"
And make no mistake, Russia gets a huge free pass for being the kings of asshatery during WW2. The raped looted and pillage their way through Eastern Europe, killed their own POWs (because only losers get captured), but hey they were on our side so they were the "good" guys.
Simo wasn't ss. Have you forgotten about Lauri Torni? Or you might know him as Larry Alan Thorne.Pretty Sure simo was never in the SS
No one really condemns your average German ground pounder.....but you seem to flip flop when it's convenient for your argument.
"Some SS were certainly good guys" - docRds
You've literally made that argument....I don't have to jump to any conclusions
Of course and many were fucking quislings and many are/were dumb as fuck.I know its tough to believe but many people in Eastern Europe hate Russia more than they hate the Germans.
You back on your bullshit defending the SS again???
Maybe Canada found the one "good guy" in the SS you were talking about
https://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-66919862Its amazing how Politico manages to tiptoe around mentioning old fart was fucking Waffen SS even when mentioning the gaffe.
Its outright bizarre how everyone on the pict pretends they are cheering a freedom fighter who landed on D-day or stormed Berlin, instead of a Waffen SS henchman
When we are at it maybe Biden needs to award the Presidential Medal of Freedom posthumously to John Demjanjuk to appease Ukrainans
Has a nice rap sheet War crimes,Crimes against humanity,Crimes against the Jewish people,Accessory to murder (28,060 counts)
Nazi-linked veteran received ovation during Zelenskyy’s Canada visit
House Speaker apologizes for leading tribute in Parliament: ‘This initiative was entirely my own.’www.politico.com
Let me guess--you just want breathing room? Liked that "final solution" reference in there too. Nice decoy.Of course and many were fucking quislings and many are/were dumb as fuck.
So first of all to get facts straight, Commies ARE NOT Russians but are French/English/German invention, staffed in originality by mainly Jews imported in Tzarist Russia by the west as some would call it first biological warfare. As to HOW IT GOT so widespread in Tzarist Russia look no further than USA of today (to keep it short).
As of Germany if one can understand Hitlers rise to power and tough predicament Germany found itself in after WWI (which again was not caused by Germans but by by then crumbling British Empire) one cannot deny that in 30ies and early 40ies basically all (bar some rare individuals) were bona fide nazis, getting hardons and being wet at a mere sound of Adolf not to mention sight of him... Unfortunately for them most of the zealots (like in Ukropland nowadays) got wiped out in early years and only after 43 and especially 44 WaffenSS standards would be drastically lowered (like in Ukropland nowadays)...
But ofcourse in the 1945 everyone was cook, driver and in the afternoon in his spare time conspirator to kill Hitler...just like in Ukropland today when they get caught...
So to say many in the east hate Russians more than Germans can be somewhat true (even in Poland its roughly 50:50) its not as simple as "commies/Stalin did it" but rather more complex going back to AustroHungarian empire and post WWI events... And yes most who look up to the West are todays "commies/Stalin" and just simply too blind to see, being brainwashed (like some old farts here who have their head up their so far they won't see the light even when standing at St.Peters door) to the point of no return.
Honestly if someone can say west nowadays stands for anything but hypocrisy, vile morals and abhorrent behavior and degeneracy on a grand scale with full intent of final solution for the whites - there is simply no words to explain the level of denial in such person.
Here's a good article that explains some of the shadowy origins of CJNGLooking at their trigger discipline, I wonder how many have western training?
I know its tough to believe but many people in Eastern Europe hate Russia more than they hate the Germans.
If JoeBidenStalin had starved your family and friends to the tune of 10 million dead you'd join the first goose stepping regiment to stop by and shav/grow your hitler stache for support. (Everybody says "I wouldn't join the Nazis" bu yeah you would--see Jordan peterson)
Reminder: Stalin killed more people than Hitler.
Also everyone's sniper hero: Simo Hayha? Guess who's side he was on during WW2. (Finns even had swastikas!) Of course Finland is our buds now so its cool.
I guess history is a little more complex than you might imagine. Now get out your jump to conclusions mat for your next post.
I want to be fair to the average Ukrainian of WW2. Keep in mind that I'm talking about the Ukrainians from more than 80 years ago NOT today.
Both Hitler and Stalin were the most evil people in leadership back then. Stalin treated the farmers on "collectives" no better than a cotton picking slave in the ante-bellum southern United States.
Ukraine was part of the Soviet Union at that time but that doesn't mean that all Ukrainians were healthy and happy under Soviet rule. Can we conservatives really say that we're happy with our country right now?
Of course not and it was even worse for the Ukrainians back then. When the Germans invaded in June of 1941, some Ukrainians hailed them as conquering heroes. And why not?
They probably figured that life under the Nazis would be better than Stalin. Of course, all that changed when Goering and Himmler toured the newly conquered territory and said that they needed to kill almost everyone to make room for more Germans.
While I'm not defending the old man that got the standing ovation, he might have thought he would be better off compared to life under the Soviet flag. Let's be clear about this, there were only two choices those people had at that time.
It would be very easy to think about what we would do if put in that same situation. If your loved ones were hauled off to the gulag because they dared to ask the local Commissar a question you would not have liked the Soviets any better than a French woman who lost her husband and son to the Gestapo.
For the Ukrainian of 80 years ago, it wasn't a question of good versus evil. It was the choice of choosing what you thought were the lesser of two evils just to survive.
Most people know that Hitler attacked Poland - from the west in September 1, 1939. However, they forgot that Stalin attacked Poland from the east right after that. They divided Poland in two.
Let's talk about the Finnish in comparison to the Ukrainians. The Soviet Union attacked the Finns in October. Stalin did so, knowing that England and France were too busy figuring out what to do with Hitler during the "Phony War" of 1939.
He was correct. England didn't offer any assistance to Finland against the Soviets. They couldn't. Not only that, England could not have foreseen that the Soviets would eventually be their ally.
Now back to Finland. They were not going to get any help from any country but Germany. It wasn't much but it was some help. What else were they going to do?
If you are in a street fight with a bigger guy and another person that you hate comes along to help you out against your opponent because he hates him more than you, are you going to turn him down? Of course not!
There are some that criticize Finland for being allied with Germany during WW2 but they forget who attacked them first and caused a lot of misery.
It was the same way with the Ukrainians back then.
Now my opinion of the Ukraine of today is a lot different than that country from 80 years ago. It's a corrupt country and we have bigger problems at home than to be helping them out.
Japan isn't the same country it was in 1941. So should I not buy Japanese products even though 99% of the people that brought us into WW2 are not alive today?
Should we still punish the South just because slavery was legal over 160 years ago?
In other words, countries can change. Sometimes for the better and others for the worse.
Mykhola forgot his meds???You fuckers looted and pillaged across Europe like the drunken assholes you are. Your boy Putin is former KGB and wants nothing more than to restore the "Russian Empire" all while claiming to root out Nazis and playing the victim. The entirety of Europe ran from the rape and killing machine of the Red Army, you made the SS looks like amateurs. Not to mention enslaving half of Europe for 50 years behind the Iron Curtain.
The white hot hate that exists in that area of the world is amazing.
How does this end?
Biden is a placeholder. He isn't running the Executive Branch. The Uniparty knows they can get "their candidate" into that function by another election theft. They're perfecting the greatest cheating apparatus in history and spotting the fraud probably won't be AS easy to spot. Could be wrong on the last part - the Uniparty seems to be impervious to prosecution and never held accountable by anything with teeth. Open cheating may still occur but ASGH.Biden cant abandon the effort without losing the WH. Too much money, supplies, and face to loose. Ukraine is running out of soldiers. Biden cant put boots on the ground without losing the WH. I only see one end game, and that looks like holding back Russia with Nato troops. I only see Nato involvement with Russia using nukes. I suspect low yield false flag nuke. The size just big enough to raise liberal ears. I recall Tucker Carlson saying war with Russia, is this what he meant?
Found another one.In regard to all the people saying "Russia" when they are referring to the communist Soviet Union, I suggest they start referring to the United States as the "British Colonies" until they get their shit sorted.
And maybe the ones who call Joe Dzhugashvili Stalin a Russian can call George Washington a famous Indian chief.
it really does look that stupid.
It goes back a millennia, and those folk have LONG memories. Old world grudges.Can't help but think people would largely get along if their weren't financiers lifting murderous turds on all sides into positions of power and influence throughout the course of history.
Found another one.
Sorry to offend comrade but we've been calling your sub-humans Russians for a long time even when you changed your name to the CCCP
Just because a Georgian was head of the pseudo Russian empire does not wipe the blame of their crimes. Plenty of "True Russians" participated and you don't get to white-wash your crimes because "Ooops that was the Soviet Union not Russia" You're like our BLM friends trying to change the meaning of words.
Russian and Soviet were synonyms. Russia was the largest province of the Soviet Union. Claiming there is some difference is more akin to saying
"Well I didn't fight for the Confederates, I fought for Virigina" We called them Russians during the cold war. CCCP was succesor to Russian Empire and Modern Russia is the succesor to CCCP.
Fuck off Russian sympathizer. As to your analogy: People called "Colonists" Americans all the time. Terms are interchangeable. Nice try though.
I can't tell him apart from Haney anymore.You back on your bullshit defending the SS again???
Maybe Canada found the one "good guy" in the SS you were talking about
you are correct. Anybody who knows the first thing about the Federalists vs the Antifederalists understands how the Constitution came into effect. State power was meant to keep the Federal government in line. Most authoritarians who side with centralized federal power over state's rights also side with the letter agencies over individual freedom. What can I say. authoritarian assholes.By your description, you don’t have a relative that fought for the wrong side. The wrong side won and the overbearing gov’t that exists today is a direct result of it.
You do realize what is the alternative you support? I'm sure you don't though so don't bother replying..Fuck off Russian sympathizer.
Because he's a shill to plant pro-Russian ideas and stir up dissent on the forum. He's the one who had to keep this thread going after it got deleted.
Yeah no one. I can watch two idiots fight and say "Hey look at those fucks!"You do realize what is the alternative you support? I'm sure you don't though so don't bother replying..
here's the funny thing. He keeps harping on his irrational hatred of Russian ethnicity and trying to link it directly to the Marx Leninist ideology of the Soviets, and that's a big give away that he's clueless.DocRDS when talking about the Waffen-SS: " you can't judge a person by the group they were in, some of them were good guys!"
DocRDS when talking about the Russians: "you and your people are sub-humans!"
The good ole usa has invaded nearly 90 countries and has only been around since 1776. This country and the men that take part in it’s war machine have no room to claim the moral high ground.Because he's a shill to plant pro-Russian ideas and stir up dissent on the forum. He's the one who had to keep this thread going after it got deleted.
He's the one that claims "Soviet" and "Russia" are two different things
He's the one claiming Russia is the victim.
He's the one who see Nazi's everywhere.
Trudeau has nothing on this fool. He's a plant or an idiot meant to stir up hatred against Ukraine and sympathy for Russia.
THe US has no dog in this fight, except standard Russian aggression over the last 400 years since Peter the Great. When I suggested years ago that we ally Ukraine to prevent an invasion he accused me of being a "neoCon" because I suggested that Russia would never dare attack US troops. (See AVOID the war rather than foolishly spend our tax dollars on this boondoggle). He knows the Russians are whipped by a third world army of peasants and just got their ass handed to them by a bunch of farmers. poor Mighty Mother Russia. Russia doesn't have the balls to take on the US because they are little scared rats.
You could be like Japan or Germany and learn from your errors, but the same schtick since 1700 ain't fooling anyone. Power Hunger, War Mongering: Every one of their neighbors hate them and know all they want is more more more more. More land, more territory, more influence. All Ukraine did was want to be Part of the EU which Russia threw their little bitch fit. Don't be fooled by the Nazi talk. Thats russian propaganda to play on your emotions (Nazis bad! Nazi Killers Good!) Even Russians don't beleive it.
All the US, UK, and Canada ever took in Europe was enough land to bury their dead.
Compare France left NATO: Nothing Happened.
Hungary from Warsaw Pact: Invasion
Czechoslovakia from Warsaw Pact: Invasion
Ukraine from Trade Pact: Invasion
You don't have to have any sympathy for Ukraine. Just remember, the Russians ain't the good guys here. Judge them by their actions.
Oh and for your idiots who think its hypocrisy to judge the Russians:
"The Russian Government" but you're too busy on your Nazi search, shilling one of the worst regeimes on the planet. The Russian PEOPLE need to get rid of these ass clowns before they bring about their destruction.
The good ole usa has invaded nearly 90 countries and has only been around since 1776. This country and the men that take part in it’s war machine have no room to claim the moral high ground.
When the Wehrmacht began kicking soviet ass, Stalin opened the churches and talked about the 'motherland' out of shrewd political expediency to dupe people into dying for him and the party. But there was no change of heart. As soon as possible, he started mass murdering any dissidents who strayed too far from the communist party line.
yeah, we literally armed muslim extremists and terrorists in syria to overthrow that secular government.Now where have I seen this play recently.
Look at you boys all up in arms about me picking on the poor Russians while you can slander Jewish people, Ukraine, the west, the US. Poor poorcommierussian bastards.
Me thinks you doth protest too much.
OOOOOOO I'm a Nazi!!! The Left called, they've been doing that for 40 years. Godwin all you want. Russia is the aggressor. Fool the plebes all you want. The rest of us know better.
probably because I made an account called 'nancy pelosi's husband' a few weeks ago to make fun of the ATF guy and Gringo Juan, and switched something around at the time.